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@wmwcjr,

wmwcjr wrote:

By the way, counterprotesters have just as much right to speak out.

Well, Bill, ya know, "fighting words" have never been "protected" free speech. If you get in someone's face and start taunting them, you're gunna get your own sorry face bashed in, and the First Amendment says that's just fine.

They begged for a beatdown, they got it. It's all over now, except for the incessant whining.

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Very few of these protestors were KKK or Neo-nazi.

Perhaps that is a possibility. That could be true. I'm open-minded to any evidence that might be available. But pictures were taken of KKK and neo-Nazi who were participants in the demonstration; and like I said in another topic, I don't know who's telling the truth.

layman wrote:

Mainly they were just good old boys who want "less immigration for a stronger nation."

I don't put these people in the same category as the extremists.

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@Blickers,

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A small group of counterprotesters clashed with the marchers shortly before 10 p.m. at the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, U-Va.’ s founder. One counterprotester apparently deployed a chemical spray, which affected the eyes of a dozen or so marchers. It left them floundering and seeking medical assistance. The marchers then disbanded, though several remained and were treated by police and medical personnel for the effects of the mace attack. It was not clear if any one was arrested.

There were vicious clashes on Market Street in front of Emancipation Park, where the rally was to begin at noon. A large contingent of white nationalist rallygoers holding shields and swinging wooden clubs rushed through a line of counterprotesters.

Earlier Saturday, men in combat gear — some wearing bicycle and motorcycle helmets and carrying clubs and sticks and makeshift shields — had fought each other in the downtown streets, with little apparent police interference.

The "City fathers" told the cops to just let them fight, in the hopes that the masked thugs would prevail. When it became obvious that they were getting their ass kicked, only then did the cops step in.

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Layman, the fact remains that neither one of us was there. Either one of us, including you, could be wrong. All we've got are news reports. Remember -- contrary to ideologues on both sides -- truth is not always on one's side; and individuals on both sides are quite capable of lying through their teeth.

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@wmwcjr,

wmwcjr wrote:

Layman, the fact remains that neither one of us was there. Either one of us, including you, could be wrong. All we've got are news reports. Remember -- contrary to ideologues on both sides -- truth is not always on one's side; and individuals on both sides are quite capable of lying through their teeth.

Well, sure, Bill, but that's my story and I'm stickin to it.

But, ask yourself. Why the "counter-protest?" There was no call for these people to show up, carrying weapons and wearing masks. If they didn't agree with the protest, they could have just stayed home and not joined it.

But, noooooooooooooooo.... They're gunna STOP it and shut these people down.

They were carrying signs sayin **** like "Kill fascists" and "White lives don't matter." Not just hymn books to sing spirituals from, ya know? They were lookin for trouble, and they got a lot more of it than they wanted.

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Ask any cheese-eater what a confederate flag or statue of Robert E. Lee "stands for," and they will quickly tell you that it stands for only one thing: Racism and Slavery.

Ask a typical southerner what it "stands for" and they will tell you it symbolizes the courage, selfless sacrifice, and determination to resist oppression of their honored ancestors, of whom they are rightly proud.

The cheese-eaters will not accept this. Something can only mean what THEY tell you it means.

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@layman,

Truth, rather than the revision of history, and cultural authenticity was the underlying issue here.

The Charlottesville cheese eaters had renamed "Lee Park" as "Emancipation Park," and had ordered that a statue of Lee be torn down. The Courts stopped that, but the mentality of trying to force your views on all others persists.

Slavery was, for better or worse, insitutionalized in the U.S. Constitution. As late as 1858 the U.S. Supreme Court said southerners had a constitution right to own slaves, who were simply "property."

Honest people don't try to deny this. But, most of them, at least, don't condemn the stars and stripes as a symbol of slavery. Go figure, eh?

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I read somewhere that people on both sides were wearing masks.

Your point about those who disagree with a protest staying home is a good one although not necessarily binding. But there have been other counterprotests that didn't result in violence. Clearly, an investigation needs to be conducted to find out exactly what happened today.

You're more than entitled to your suspicions. At least you haven't gone around down-thumbing most of my posts today. (I suspect the guilty culprits are a lone conservative or some so-called progressives who are too cowardly to contact me via PM.) You have more class. No one can say you're a coward!

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@layman,

"Jew will not displace us" is just as bad as "Kill fascists" and "White lives don't matter." All three of them are wrong.

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@lmur,

From lmur's link

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“Here you have a guy who has no government experience, and he’s in charge of the whole thing,” Kushner said, in an interview with Fox News. “It’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard of.”

Dang if it don't sound like he's talking about daddy - in law.

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@roger,

OH! I see that was humor. It worked.

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@roger,

Trump has had plenty of experience in doing what this government needs most: firing losers.

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@wmwcjr,

Did you see, or hear of, or know someone who heard of someone holding a sign that said "White lives don't matter"?

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@wmwcjr,

Well, there can always be two or more threads on this and that. In the meantime, I hope you are all fine.

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@wmwcjr,

Some crabapple is zeroing you.
Harrumph!

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Even this guy, who really is a neo-nazi type, was trying to discourage violence, eh?

Quote:

White nationalist leader Richard Spencer also addressed the group, urging people to disperse. But he promised that they would gather again for a future demonstration, blaming Saturday’s violence on counterprotesters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.ad6522c850bd

David Duke was pissed off at Trump, sure, but very few of his supporters were:

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Trump said that he was following the events in Charlottesville closely. “The hate and the division must stop and must stop right now,” Trump said, without specifically mentioning white nationalists or their views. “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. On many sides,” he said.

David Duke, a Trump supporter who was in Charlottesville Saturday, quickly shot back at the president. “So, after decades of White Americans being targeted for discriminated & anti-White hatred, we come together as a people, and you attack us?” Duke tweeted. “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.”

Duke, speaking to the crowd, called Saturday’s events “the first step toward taking America back.”

“The truth is European Americans face tremendous discrimination in this country — jobs, scholarships, promotions,” Duke said. “The truth is we are being ethnically cleansed within our own nation.”

Duke does kinda raise an interesting question, though. Why are black folk routinely referred to as "Afro-Americans," but immigrants from Europe are never called "Euro-Americans."

What's up with that?

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@snood,

Layman has made that claim. (See above.) I have an unfortunate tendency of taking what people say literally. I also tend to believe most people tell the truth or what they believe is the truth. I don't know why. I'm not as combative as I used to be. Social media fatigue may have something to do with it.

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@ossobucotemp,

Thanks for your encouragement and many compliments. Smile

They are always appreciated.

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@wmwcjr,

wmwcjr wrote:

Layman has made that claim. (See above.) I have an unfortunate tendency of taking what people say literally. I also tend to believe most people tell the truth or what they believe is the truth. I don't know why. I'm not as combative as I used to be. Social media fatigue may have something to do with it.

I'll fess up, Bill. I just made that "sign" up because I thought it sounded good. Not something I would normally do, of course, but on this topic, I gotta duty to spread propaganda to counter that of the cheese-eaters, know what I'm sayin?

The sign I confused it with probably just said "We want dead white cops, now!"

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@layman,

If David Duke is mad at Donald Trump, then he (the President) must be doing something right.

Calm down, layman! You don't need to prove to me that you're right about anything. I'm just a nobody posting at a website. It doesn't matter what I think.

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