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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 07:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

The Mooch made it ten days. That is probably a new low even for Trump. What does it say about trump"s judgment...


It says Trump has excellent judgment. Mooch accomplished the necessary results. He got first Spicer, then Priebus, to resign (which is better, politically speaking, than firing them).

As soon as he got the job done, he was dumped. Again, good political judgment, given the stir Scarface caused in accomplishing his task (dissing Priebus for print).
emmett grogan
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 08:40 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Snowflake, Arizona which I'm sure is a fine little town.


For what its worth, Flake is a descendant of one of two Mormon cattle men - Snow and Flake - who founded the town. Both families are still prominent in the area and statewide in Arizona. The area is along the Mogollan Rim. This is the area Zane Grey wrote about in a lot of his westerns about this area. Its a very strong Morman area, also.
emmett grogan
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:02 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Any you claiming that anything about the report is false, for example?


I'm claiming their are no verifiable facts presented on your fake news posts. It doesn't have to be proven wrong, it hasn't been proven true in any sort of way by you. You claim it. You get to prove it.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:25 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Yes. In important ways he is much more dangerous.
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roger
 
  4  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:25 pm
@layman,
Yeah, right. You are such an optimist, you could step in a steaming pile of horsie poop and thing "Wow! There's just got to be a pony around here, somewheres".
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:34 pm
@blatham,
Vox/Time/newsmax ...

http://time.com/4869439/anthony-scaramucci-white-house/
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:35 pm
@emmett grogan,
Quote:
For what its worth, Flake is a descendant of one of two Mormon cattle men - Snow and Flake - who founded the town. Both families are still prominent in the area and statewide in Arizona. The area is along the Mogollan Rim. This is the area Zane Grey wrote about in a lot of his westerns about this area. Its a very strong Morman area, also.
I did not know that. Thank you. I guessed there might be a connection between the family name and the town's name but you've added lots of color to the story.

As you must have noticed, the right wing brigade of numbskulls has taken their rhetorical (such as it is) cues from the deep end of the information toilet with the use of "snowflake". Now, if I was a Mormon working on their vast genealogy project and got a request from one of our resident trollites, I'd be seriously tempted to inform them that their great-grandmother was a famed Belfast slut, Rosy Swampbottom.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:37 pm
I sure wasn't expecting this

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/pat-buchanan-need-transgender-troops/2017/07/31/id/804940/

Quote:

In a piece for World Net Daily, Buchanan chides that, "Apparently, U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia are insufficient to satiate our War Party."

"Now it wants us to lead the Sunnis of the Middle East in taking down the Shiites, who are dominant in Iran, Iraq, Syria and South Lebanon, and are a majority in Bahrain and the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia."

Along with increasingly poor relations between the United States and Russia and China, and Kim Jong Un's goal to achieve "the ability to strike his enemy’s homeland with horrific impact, in order to deter that enemy," America's "military has its work cut out for it."

"President Trump may need those transgender troops," he wrote, , referencing the president's tweet barring transgender troops in the military.

"Among the reasons Trump routed his Republican rivals in 2016 is that he seemed to share an American desire to look homeward," Buchanan argued. "Yet, today, our relations with China and Russia are as bad as they have been in decades, while there is open talk of war with Iran and North Korea.

"Was this what America voted for, or is this what America voted against?"
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:37 pm
@ehBeth,
Thank you. Good to know.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:43 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I sure wasn't expecting this
What aspect surprises you?
ehBeth
 
  3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:48 pm
@blatham,
Mr. Buchanan suggesting , even sideways, any reason to keep transgender servicepeople. He's not exactly known for his support of anything resembling civil rights for anyone other than white men.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:52 pm
@emmett grogan,
emmett grogan wrote:

Quote:
Any you claiming that anything about the report is false, for example?


I'm claiming their are no verifiable facts presented on your fake news posts. It doesn't have to be proven wrong, it hasn't been proven true in any sort of way by you. You claim it. You get to prove it.


It's already been "proven" and you would know that if you had any clue about how to check it, if you had any doubts.

Try googling "Sergio Jose Martinez," cheese-eater, and you'll see dozens of sources for the story, including this one, from the local paper:

Quote:
UPDATED Monday, July 31

Federal immigration agents lodged a detainer in December 2016 against the man accused of attacking two women in Northeast Portland this week, officials said.

Martinez has been deported 20 times, according to Multnomah County court documents. He has a lengthy criminal record that includes several convictions in Oregon and burglary convictions in other states, according to court documents and the immigration agency.

Local authorities released Martinez on Dec. 8, 2016 without notifying immigration authorities, Kice said.

Oregon law prohibits public agencies from spending money, using equipment or enlisting personnel to enforce federal immigration law.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/07/federal_immigration_agency_lod.html

Care to retract your libelous accusation of "fake news posts," cheese-eater?
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 09:55 pm
@ehBeth,
Gotcha. I think his over-riding zest for an isolationist foreign policy got the better of him here.

On another aspect, I think we're finally at a point where anti-Trump sentiment is going to be voiced increasingly across RW media. Is that your guess as well?
ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:05 pm
@blatham,
I think they're still pretty split. Go take a look at gopusa.

As I posted a few days ago, gopusa and newsmax used to be clones in terms of coverage and attitude. Big divergence these days.

you can see the Trump supporter party line we sometimes see in these threads there. sometimes you see actual directions on how to handle arguments from the right and left.

http://www.gopusa.com/leftists-dont-appreciate-a-president-who-supports-cops-not-criminals/
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:11 pm
Posting titillating stories pays, eh? Just ask the National Enquirer, if ya don't believe it.

Quote:
Scaramucci Rant brings 4.4M to The New Yorker Website

Variety says that aside from the millions of online hits, The New Yorker saw a "whopping 92 percent increase in subscription orders over the daily July average from the Scaramucci piece."


http://www.newsmax.com/US/anthony-scaramucci-the-new-yorker-rant-white-house/2017/07/31/id/804839/

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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:28 pm
@ehBeth,
Interesting differences. GOPUSA is far more tightly constrained in content, forwarding a pretty predictable set of narrative and pushing a predictable set of buttons. Newsmax is much broader in content. Perhaps Ruddy isn't quite the friend of Trump's that he makes himself out to be (but he's trying to build up a media empire and GOPUSA is doing something more strictly limited to rousing the base).
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:45 pm
@layman,
By the way, that story I quoted from started out this way:

Quote:
UPDATED Monday, July 31


Don't think that "update" was voluntary. It only occurred after the cheese-eating Oregonian had been specifically called out for FAILING to report facts:

Quote:
Oregonian Initially Fails to Report Basic, Horrifying Facts About an Arrested Illegal Immigrant

For years, if not decades, it's been obvious that all too many local, regional, and national journalists do everything they can to keep important details about criminal acts committed by people who are in this country illegally out of their reports.

Matsumoto's reporting on Martinez's crimes made it all look rather routine.

Unfortunately for her and the Oregonian, Oregon TV station KOIN engaged in actual journalism and gave readers ugly details anyone would have expected any responsible journalist to report....[numerous omitted facts cited]

It's overwhelmingly likely that the Oregonian initially chose to withhold Martinez's 20 deportations, extensive criminal record, and long-term record of drug and alcohol addiction from its readers.

Most of the left-leaning, open borders-supporting press doesn't want its audience to know the extent of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, the ease with which deported immigrants have waltzed back into this country for decades, and, especially in the case of sanctuary cities like Portland and sanctuary states like Oregon, how that status recklessly endangers their law-abiding citizens.

If these things were more widely known, more people might be even more strongly in favor of stricter border controls, up to and including building the Donald Trump-advocated wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, than they already are. We can't have that.


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/07/28/oregonian-fails-report-basic-horrifying-facts-about-arrested-illegal

As I've often said, one of the best ways to detect biased "fake news" is to look for what facts (and what stories, for that matter) DON'T get disclosed/reported.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:46 pm
Trump PISSED. Congress Won't Let Him Lift Russia Sanctions.
Real Music
 
  3  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:55 pm
Republican Senator says this is The Beginning of the End of the Trump Presidency
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 10:57 pm
@Real Music,
Great conspiracy theory there, eh? They're saying that since Trump can't deliver (to Putin) on "his end of the bargain," (presumably the bargain made to sell his soul to Russia in return for beating Hillary Clinton--which Trump couldn't have possibly done without Putin's help), now Putin is gunna release some of the "blackmail" material it has been withholding up to now.

That's what we need more of, eh? Real news, not unfounded speculation and utterly fabricated claims made without any evidence whatsoever.

It's amazing how easy it is to play the cheese-eaters and get wealthy by doing it, eh?
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