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Baldimo
 
  -4  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 01:11 pm
@maporsche,
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And thank god they have Baldimo. The Democrats are doing the job THEY were elected to do. They are protecting the progress that has been made and trying to block the regressive agenda of the right.

I'm happy you were honest and didn't separate the MSM from the Democrats. There is nothing really regressive about the "right" agenda, and there is nothing really "progressive" about the current leftist agenda.

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You know that the left is not going to jump on board for Trumpcare.

I never expected them to. Hell I'm not on board with Trumpcare, I think they need to keep the new laws easy and to the things most everyone agrees with. No lifetime limits, no pre-existing conditions but there should be choices in what you want to have for coverage and what you need.

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Really though, Trump just doesn't give a crap about his promises. You know this I think.

I really don't know and I don't care, I didn't vote for the guy. I might agree with some of his general positions on some things but that is mostly due to being more right leaning on some issues than others. If you really think about it though, Trump isn't a traditional right leaning person. He is more left leaning on the social issues than traditional "right-wingers" and I honestly don't think he is racist. The whole "Muslim ban" is BS, if he was banning Muslims he's missing about 50 other Muslim majority countries on his list.
maporsche
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
I didn't make any comment on your grouping of MSM and Democrats, and I certainly don't agree with it.

My post was specific to elected officials.
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maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 01:46 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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I didn't make any comment on your grouping of MSM and Democrats, and I certainly don't agree with it.

Of course you don't agree with my comment, you are part and parcel of the comment. As a member of the DNC and a Bernie supporter who turned a blind eye to the DNC corruption that was taking place within your own party. To prove my point, have you left the party or do you support what they did to your preferred candidate? They screwed Bernie over for Hillary and she wasn't even a worthy candidate for the DNC.

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My post was specific to elected officials.

I'm sorry but with the MSM and the DNC there really is no difference, the elected officials are just the face of party who controls you.


You're mistaking me for someone else.

I supported Hillary in the primary and voted for her in 2016. She would have made a wonderful president. I would have voted for Bernie had he won, but I don't think he'd be nearly as good as Hillary would have been.

Both would be lightyears better than Trump.
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maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:09 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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You're mistaking me for someone else.

I supported Hillary in the primary and voted for her in 2016. She would have made a wonderful president. I would have voted for Bernie had he won, but I don't think he'd be nearly as good as Hillary would have been.

Both would be lightyears better than Trump.

My apologies. It does explain why you don't see a problem with what happened to Bernie and why you don't see the MSM as the media arm of the DNC. You are indeed a true believer of the BS.


No, I'm not.

I know the system is screwed and full of lies. I'm a realist in that I don't think the system can improve all that much. I like that Hillary knows how to operate in that world and has done so for decades.

She'd be getting a ton more done than Trump, even with an identical congress.
snood
 
  7  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:11 pm
Every time he has been asked in different venues by different people over the months since the election, Bernie Sanders has said that although he knows the leadership of the DNC favored Hillary, he believes that Hillary won the nomination fair and square. That "what happened to Bernie" trope is BS kept alive mainly by the right.
maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:13 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Every time he has been asked in different venues by different people over the months since the election, Bernie Sanders has said that although he knows the leadership of the DNC favored Hillary, he believes that Hillary won the nomination fair and square. That "what happened to Bernie" trope is BS kept alive mainly by the right.


For sure. Crazy that the DNC would favor a democrat.

Next we'll hear about how Hillary got ONE QUESTION to a debate a day early. A question about water quality during a Flint, MI debate...big help there.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:35 pm
@maporsche,
I'm a relatively left Democrat who stuck by Sanders for some months, got cold feet because of his age (mine, more or less) and unsureness re whether he could pull the country together enough. I know that's absurd by now as no one can, but I saw him as potentially weak on world politics.

I've since written an apololgia for that somewhere on a2k, as I was well aware of Clinton's strong unlikeability, and Bernie was more tuned to me, so I should have been less clever and picked who I wanted, been true to self, versus "she could work out after winning". I had started my own Who Else Is There thread way before the election cycle got going.

By now, I think neither would have won, because of what I think of as the success of Trump's gaseous bloviation, and a variety of needs for change from different quarters. Unless, of course, the situation was russia manipulated. Someone let me know if that us ever figured out. l'll probably be a hundred by then and not give a fig.


izzythepush
 
  5  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:44 pm
What's going on in Qatar is a case in point. Not only has hacking occurred on a massive scale but bots have been mobilised. Even if it achieves nothing else it still causes certain hashtags to trend.

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The hacks came after Qatar said they were recently targeted by an orchestrated smear campaign, accusing them of supporting terrorist groups. Qatar’s claims seem credible. Just four days before Qatar’s hacking claims, an Arabic hashtag translated as Qatar is the treasury of terrorism was trending. On the hashtag, social media accounts — many of them bots — echoed similar themes of criticizing Qatar for its relationship with Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

After the alleged emails purporting that Thani made pro-Iranian comments were published, a resurgence of the bot armies appeared on Twitter, most of which criticized Qatar and the various entities highlighted in the communications between the FDD and Otaiba. My analysis shows the presence of propaganda bots on numerous hashtags. One of these Twitter trends was #AlJazeeraInsultsKingSalman, and my analysis shows 20 percent of the Twitter accounts were anti-Qatar-bots. Many of them were posting well-produced images condemning Qatar’s relations with Hamas, Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/07/hacking-bots-and-information-wars-in-the-qatar-spat/?utm_term=.1f67ecd54534
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snood
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:57 pm
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snood
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 02:59 pm
Here's a must-have T-Shirt for the modern, informed traveler...

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jcboy
 
  9  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:01 pm
A lawyer, a spy, a mob boss, and a money launderer walk into a bar. The bartender says: "You guys must be here to talk about adoption." Cool
ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:13 pm
@snood,
I could bear to own one of those!
It would go in the drawer with my Obama t shirt, only worn once. I don't like to be non-esteemed or hated in the produce aisles.. and besides, it's a saver.
Although, New Mexico is relatively on the blue side of things. One is usually only attached via drug scenarios.
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snood
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:18 pm
@jcboy,
You must be perusing FB. I just saw that joke there minutes before you posted.
ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:20 pm
@jcboy,
V. good, JC.
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jcboy
 
  7  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:26 pm
@snood,
I'm a facebooker Razz
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:43 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Six Month Update for Trump Supporters:

So how many presidents delivered on all of their campaign promises in the first 6 months of their first term?

1. He told you he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “beautiful.” You bought it. But he didn’t repeal and he didn’t replace. (Just as well: His plan would have knocked at least 22 million off health insurance, including many of you.)

It's not over yet and the gutless Get Along Gang of Establishment Republicans (including those masquerading as mavericks) in Congress have had something to do with the current failed "attempts."

2. He told you he’d cut your taxes. You bought it. But tax “reform” is stalled. And if it ever moves, the only ones whose taxes will be cut are the wealthy.

Stalled? Perhaps, if anyone really imagined it would come in the first 6 months of his presidency. Eventually there will be some "reform," although I've given up all hope that it will be the full gut job of the system that is required. If the only people who get tax cuts are the wealthy, that is likely to include me and I will be pleased. The government needs to cut spending regardless of how much tax revenue it takes in. Revenue feeds expansion and ever more involvement in people's lives. That's not good.

3. He told you he’d invest $1 billion in our nation’ crumbling infrastructure. You bought it. But his infrastructure plan, which was really a giveaway to rich investors, is also stalled.

No I didn't, and to the extent that it ever gets done with a majority or totality of tax dollars, it will need the support of Democrats and they're not willing to cooperate with Trump on anything...even a program tailor made to their interests.

4. He said he’d clean the Washington swamp. You bought it. But he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses, along with former lobbyists, lawyers and consultants who are crafting new policies for the same industries they recently worked for.

No I didn't. I had some ephemeral hope that he would and perhaps under different circumstances he might have (although I think that's unlikely). My greatest regret over the 2016 election is that at a time when the American people were, I believe, ready for and desirous of actually draining the swamp, the only champion of reform on the stage was Trump (and possibly an old socialist windbag from Vermont).
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5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. But he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge.

Never even considered it in my decision to vote for him and I don't agree with the characterization of the current WH or that it is materially different from prior Administrations. It usually takes a year for the "White House" to gel and stabilize; for rivals to either win or lose.

6. He said he’d close “special interest loopholes that have been so good for Wall Street investors but unfair to American workers.“ You bought it. But he picked a Wall Street financier Stephen Schwarzman to run his strategic and policy forum, who compares closing those loopholes to Hitler’s invasion of Poland.

An argument can be made that it takes a thief to catch one. Our most effective cyber warriors are former hackers who got caught. Trump likes money and respects men and women who make a lot of it (generally speaking, so do I) but he himself is not a Wall Street Guy, and while he may be the thieving crook his foes claim he is, he's not a Wall Street thieving crook; not a Gordon Gecko

7. He told you he’d “bring down drug prices” by making deals with drug companies. You bought it. But now the White House says that promise is “inoperative.”

Again, not a consideration. Don't know details on this inoperative thing.


8. He said that on Day One he’d label China a “currency manipulator.” You bought it. But then he met with China’s president and declared "China is not a currency manipulator.”

Big deal. Not a consideration.

9. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. But then he bombed Syria.

Don't recall that specific "promise" but if he did make it, then the fact that he changed his mind and hit them for use of chemical weapons is not only fine with me, I think it was a good thing. I doubt Reich will find many Trump Supporters having buyer's remorse over this. For those who might have liked him saying he wouldn't bomb Syria, I'm quite sure it was in the context of him promising not to get involved militarily in Syria the way we got involved in Iraq and Libya. Hitting an airport with tomahawks doesn't constitute nation building, foreign adventurism or getting mired anywhere. Last time I checked, no US military personnel rode on top of those missiles and it was American troop involvement overseas that concerned isolationists for Trump. I doubt too many peaceniks who are categorically opposed to any US military action voted for Trump

10. He called Barack Obama “the vacationer-in-Chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it. But in his first 6 months he has spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first 3 years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

Not really a consideration, although I did appreciate his promise to take only a $1.00 salary. Does Reich know if that was a bogus promise? Is the tax dollars spent on Trump's vacations primarily for security and Air Force One operations or is he somehow billing the government for the costs associated with staying in the resorts and residences he owns in NY, NJ and FL? Is Melania travelling to Spain and Africa on the taxpayer's dime? I know that her First Lady staff is, in number, about 1/3rd of what Michelle's was. As for the cost of protecting the president's children, is Reich really begrudging them protection? Does he think it was OK to protect the children of all other sitting presidents, but not the Trump kids?

11. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America. You believed him. But despite their promises, Carrier, Ford, GM, and the rest are shipping jobs to Mexico and China.

No, he said that companies who shipped jobs to foreign countries would pay a price imposed by the government. Does Reich know a) That no action has been taken in this regard? or b) That any plan to take action has been scrapped as inoperative?

12. He said he’d create coal jobs. You believe him. He hasn’t. But here’s what he has done: Since 1965 a federal program called the Appalachian Regional Commission has spent $23 billion helping communities in coal states fund job retraining, reclaim land, and provide desperately needed social services. A.R.C. helped cut poverty rates almost in half, double the percentage of high-school graduates, and reduce infant mortality by two-thirds. Trump’s first proposed budget eliminates A.R.C

New jobs have been created since he became president. Since I'm sure Reich was more than happy to credit Clinton and Obama with the creation of new jobs that appeared in the economy when they were president, I don't know why he would change the rules for Trump? Do you?

-Robert Reich


Reich doesn't like Trump. OK, neither did millions of other people who wouldn't vote for him in November. If Reich wants to try and point out all of the promises Trump made on the campaign trail but has failed to make good on within the first 6 months of his first term, who is going to stop him? It's pretty ridiculous though especially when half of the promises are things Reich never wants Trump to make good on. What is even more ridiculous is Reich's fixation (shared by millions of those Americans who didn't vote for Trump) on trying to convince those who did vote for Trump that they were gullible rubes, and (apparently) should now join The Resistance.

We get it Big Bob, you don't like Trump and you probably don't feel very warm towards those of us who voted for him, but who did you write this screed for? It couldn't have been intended for Trump Supporters unless you are foolish enough to think any of them read your tripe, or if they do, will be persuaded that you are an objective observer here.

He wrote it for all of his fellow Democrats who believe that Trump voters were gullible rubes or worse, nod their heads in agreement, snicker over how stupid the fools were and cut and paste the tripe into forums like this one.

In the final analysis a whole lot of people voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. We were told by a lot of other people that even Trump would make a better president than Clinton. We saw what eight years of Obama did to America and we listened to a lot of Democrats (including Obama) tell us that with Clinton in the White House we could expect four to eight years more of the same. We saw the evidence of her arrogance and corruption...and we bought it.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:47 pm
@snood,
Tangent!
Reminds me of a certain fear of mine on one of my 3 trips to Italy.

Yes, all on the credit card, long time paying. (I'm not sorry). I think it was the third and last trip when I was worried about re hostility to americans, which I understood at the time for some reason I forget. I went with a friend of my then ex husband and I, because she begged to go with (a phrase from my Chicago childhood years). That was a month long trip and I escorted her fairly shortly back to Fiumicino with relief. Anyway, neither she nor I looked much like tourists. Those were my rinse in the albergo shower black suit days, with just a duffle bag.

I enjoyed the much further part of the trip by myself. Once some italians asked me for directions. Not that I tried to pass, but I tried to sort of fit. I got into a lot of interesting conversations that way.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 03:56 pm
@ossobucotemp,
What I meant by weak may differ from other's views.
 

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