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jcboy
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 04:25 pm
Trump is not doing anything for the real economy. He's doing it all for the 1%. His tax plan would be a tax hike for the 45 million Americans below the poverty line (from 0 to 10%) and a steep reduction for the upper 1% (reduced from 38 to 35% with more deductions & credits available to them) . He's also ok with offshore tax havens which allow businesses and individuals to basically avoid their tax share altogether.

And the ignorant still support him!
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Olivier5
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 05:56 pm
@layman,
The original wikipedia article reads:

Quote:
The dossier was produced as part of opposition research during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The research was initially funded by Republicans who did not want Trump to be the Republican Party nominee for president. After Trump won the primaries, a Democratic client took over the funding; and, following Trump's election, Steele continued working on the report pro bono and passed on the information to British and American intelligence services.


You deleted the parts in bold in your quote, probably because you didnt like them... :-)
layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 06:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You deleted the parts in bold in your quote, probably because you didnt like them... :-)


I deleted a shitload of "parts" because it was a long-ass article. I don't see anything particularly significant about the part you put in bold, do you, Ollie?
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layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 06:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

The original wikipedia article reads:

Quote:
and, following Trump's election, Steele continued working on the report pro bono and passed on the information to British and American intelligence services.


He didn't work "pro bono." As the article says, the FBI agreed to pay him $50,000+. They later reneged when they found out that he was also being paid by democrats. Again, he didn't "pass on" info to the FBI, he tried to sell it to them.

He immediately went into hiding after his name was discovered. Both he and Fusion have refused to testify, and in his libel suit, he admitted that his reports had not been verified, and claimed the dossier should never have been published.

This guy was a profiteer forger/author seeking to enrich himself by playing the chumps, that's all.

Olivier5 wrote:
The research was initially funded by Republicans who did not want Trump to be the Republican Party nominee for president.


This fraud was NOT hired until after Trump won the primary and the Democrats took over the "research." Between June and November (the election) the Democrats were getting fleeced to the tune of $50,000 PER MONTH by this con man.
layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 06:38 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
This fraud was NOT hired until after Trump won the primary and the Democrats took over the "research." Between June and November (the election) the Democrats were getting fleeced to the tune of $50,000 PER MONTH by this con man.

During that whole time, they were distributing this crap to every media outlet in the country, begging them to print it. Mother Jones did, before the election. Thereafter CNN reported on it and Buzzfeed printed it verbatim. Thereafter, they all piled on and printed excerpts from it.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 07:14 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators

A secretive Washington firm that commissioned the dubious intelligence dossier on Donald Trump is stonewalling congressional investigators trying to learn more about its connections to the Democratic Party.

The Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month threatened to subpoena the firm, Fusion GPS, after it refused to answer questions and provide records to the panel identifying who financed the error-ridden dossier, which was circulated during the election and has sparked much of the Russia scandal now engulfing the White House.

Congressional sources say it’s actually an opposition-research group for Democrats, and the founders, who are more political activists than journalists, have a pro-Hillary Clinton, anti-Trump agenda.

“These weren’t mercenaries or hired guns,” a congressional source familiar with the dossier probe said. “These guys had a vested personal and ideological interest in smearing Trump and boosting Hillary’s chances of winning the White House.”

Federal records show a key co-founder and partner in the firm was a Hillary Clinton donor and supporter of her presidential campaign. His wife also donated money to Hillary’s campaign.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is also investigating whether the FBI has wrongly relied on the anti-Trump dossier and its author, Christopher Steele.

The FBI received a copy of the Democrat-funded dossier in August, during the heat of the campaign, and is said to have contracted in October to pay Steele $50,000 to help corroborate the dirt on Trump — a relationship that “raises substantial questions about the independence” of the bureau in investigating Trump."

Senate investigators are demanding to see records of communications between Fusion GPS and the FBI and the Justice Department, including any contacts with former Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

Also Deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe, who is under investigation by the Senate and the Justice inspector general for failing to recuse himself despite financial and political connections to the Clinton campaign through his Democratic activist wife. Senate investigators have singled out McCabe as the FBI official who negotiated with Steele.

Like Fusion GPS, the FBI has failed to cooperate with congressional investigators seeking documents.

Steele contracted with Fusion GPS to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia starting in June 2016, whereupon he outlandishly claimed that Hillary campaign hackers were “paid by both Trump’s team and the Kremlin” and that the operation was run out of Putin’s office

He also fed Fusion GPS and its Hillary-allied clients incredulous gossip about Trump hating the Obamas so much that he hired hookers to urinate on a bed they slept in at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton, and that Russian intelligence recorded the pee party in case they needed to blackmail Trump.

Never mind that none of the rumors was backed by evidence or even credible sourcing (don’t bother trying to confirm his bed-wetting yarn, Steele advised, as “all direct witnesses have been silenced”).

Steele reinforced his paying customers’ worst fears about Trump, and they rewarded him for it with a whopping $250,000 in payments.

Steele hadn’t worked in Moscow since the 1990s and didn’t actually travel there to gather intelligence on Trump firsthand. He relied on third-hand “friend of friend” sourcing. In fact, most of his claimed Russian sources spoke not directly to him but “in confidence to a trusted compatriot” who, in turn, spoke to Steele — and always anonymously.

But his main source may have been Google. Most of the information branded as “intelligence” was merely rehashed from news headlines or cut and pasted — replete with errors — from Wikipedia.

The real question is why anyone would take anything in the sketchy report seriously. Democratic leaders in Congress keep referring to it to cook up more charges against Trump, while liberal media continue to use it as a road map to find “scoops” on Trump in the “Russiagate” conspiracy they’re peddling — still hoping against hope that the central thrust of the report — that Trump entered into an unholy alliance with the Russian government during the election — will one day prove true and bring about the downfall of his presidency.


http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

All this talk about an attempted "deep state coup" isn't without foundation. For some damn reason, I've never heard CNN, et al, report on all these hidden agendas (of Lynch, McCabe, Democratic congressmen, etc.), or all the cash involved, eh?

$300,000 in cash, coupled with ideological fervor, will buy a lot of lies, eh?

Worth repeating:

Quote:
Steele hadn’t worked in Moscow since the 1990s and didn’t actually travel there to gather intelligence on Trump firsthand. He relied on third-hand “friend of friend” sourcing. In fact, most of his claimed Russian sources spoke not directly to him but “in confidence to a trusted compatriot” who, in turn, spoke to Steele — and always anonymously.

But his main source may have been Google. Most of the information branded as “intelligence” was merely rehashed from news headlines or cut and pasted — replete with errors — from Wikipedia.
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layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 07:59 pm
Quote:
The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

The PDF file of the 30-page typewritten report alleges that high Kremlin officials colluded with Trump, offered him multi-billion dollar bribes, and accumulated compromising evidence of Trump’s sexual escapades in Russia. That the dossier comes from former British intelligence officers appears, at first glance, to give it weight especially with Orbis’ claim of a “global network.”

The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. We can wait till hell freezes over. The material is not verifiable.

I have studied Russia and the Soviet Union professionally since the mid-1960s. I have visited Russia as a scholar, as the head of a multi-year petroleum legislation project, and as a business consultant close to one hundred times. I met with St. Petersburg officials in the early 90s but do not remember meeting then deputy mayor, Vladimir Putin. I have written and co-authored reports for the State Department, Congress, and the intelligence community; so I sort of know how these things work.

The Orbis report makes as if it knows all the ins-and-outs and comings-and-goings within Putin’s impenetrable Kremlin. It reports information from anonymous “trusted compatriots,” “knowledgeable sources,” “former intelligence officers,” and “ministry of foreign affairs officials.”

The report gives a fly-on-the-wall account of just about every conceivable event associated with Donald Trump’s Russian connections. It claims to know more than is knowable as it recounts sordid tales of prostitutes, “golden showers,” bribes, squabbles in Putin’s inner circle, and who controls the dossiers of kompromat (compromising information).

There are two possible explanations for the fly-on-the-wall claims of the Orbis report: Either its author (who is not Mr. Steele) decided to write fiction, or collected enough gossip to fill a 30-page report, or a combination of the two. The author of the Orbis report has one more advantage: He knew that what he was writing was unverifiable. He advertises himself as the only Kremlin outsider with enough “reliable” contacts to explain what is really going within Putin’s office.

As someone who has worked for more than a decade with the microfilm collection of Soviet documents in the Hoover Institution Archives, I can say that the dossier itself was compiled by a Russian, whose command of English is far from perfect and who follows the KGB (now FSB) practice of writing intelligence reports, in particular the practice of capitalizing all names for easy reference.

The Orbis report claims, that as the election neared (July 2016), Igor Sechin, Putin’s right-hand man and CEO of Rosneft (Russia’s national oil company) offered Trump a deal that defies belief....

This story is utter nonsense, not worthy of a wacky conspiracy theory of an alien invasion.

To offer Trump the market value of 19.5% of Rosneft shares—which would amount to an astonishing $2.4 billion—would deplete the cash that Putin desperately needed for military spending and budget deficits, all in return for a promise to lift sanctions if—and what a big “if”—Trump were elected.

I have picked out just a few excerpts from the Orbis report. It was written, in my opinion, not by an ex British intelligence officer but by a Russian trained in the KGB tradition. It is full of names, dates, meetings, quarrels, and events that are hearsay (one an overheard conversation). It is a collection of “this important person” said this to “another important person.” There is no record; no informant is identified by name or by more than a generic title.

We have reached a sad state of affairs where an anonymous report, full of bizarre statements, captures the attention of the world media because it casts a shadow over the legitimacy of a President-elect, who has not even taken the oath of office. For example, the Trump dossier is tonight’s lead item on German state television and on BBC. False news has become America’s international export to the world media.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#5843ac866867

[Paul Roderick Gregory, full bio: "I am a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, at Stanford, and energy fellow and Cullen Professor of Economics at the University of Houston. I am also a research professor at the German Institute for Economic Research Berlin. My specialties are Russia and Comparative Economics, and I am adding China to my portfolio. I have written more than 20 books on economics, Russia and comparative economics."]
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layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 08:39 pm
So, to sum up the story behind all the "russian collusion" allegations made by the democrats and their employees, the, MSM:

1. Ideologues paid a quarter of a million dollars to buy fraudulent reports that they desperately wanted to believe and did their best to have publicized.

2. They got what they paid for, i.e., some fraud to claim that he had "inside knowledge" that:

A. Trump was a russian spy who had been recruited for years by Putin

B. Trump (together with Putin) paid to have the DNC hacked.

C. Trump agreed to take billions in bribes for doing Putin's bidding, with the further understanding that the blackmail material russia had compiled against him would be kept secret.

3. The Democrats wanted this to be true so badly that they actually believed it.

4. They have been demanding that some agency find proof of it's truth (since they had none whatsoever) ever since (with no success).

Nice try, cheese-eaters.
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layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 09:15 pm
BLATANT SEXISM, sho nuff!

Quote:
Jane Sanders cries sexism in bank-fraud accusations

Bernie Sanders’ wife, Jane Sanders, is crying sexism against the man responsible for an FBI investigation into the allegations she fraudulently obtained a loan for the Vermont college she once oversaw.

Jane Sanders led the small liberal-arts school Burlington College from 2004 to 2011. The college closed in 2016 after struggling to pay back creditors, and ultimately lost its accreditation

Brady Toensing, now a candidate for U.S. attorney in Vermont, filed a complaint alleging Jane Sanders committed bank fraud in 2016. Toensing started researching Jane Sanders in 2014, years before her husband Sen. Sanders, I-Vt., would run for president.

“I find it incredibly sexist that basically he’s going after my husband by destroying my reputation, and that’s not OK,” Jane Sanders told The Boston Globe.


http://media-cdn.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2016/11/30/161201fpmccoy8203805787_t755_h05a693ea5ab6fba545700dc23ead83a75b4811c1.jpg

Turns out that jackass has lots of tricks, eh? There's also the sexist card, the homophobe card, the islamophobe card, the anti-mexican card, the "oppression of criminals" card, and several others.
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glitterbag
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 09:36 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

The original wikipedia article reads:

Quote:
The dossier was produced as part of opposition research during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The research was initially funded by Republicans who did not want Trump to be the Republican Party nominee for president. After Trump won the primaries, a Democratic client took over the funding; and, following Trump's election, Steele continued working on the report pro bono and passed on the information to British and American intelligence services.


You deleted the parts in bold in your quote, probably because you didnt like them... :-)


You hit the nail right on the head. Some folks just stick their fingers in their ears and chant lalalalalalalalalalalalala
layman
 
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Sun 16 Jul, 2017 09:51 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

You hit the nail right on the head. Some folks just stick their fingers in their ears and chant lalalalalalalalalalalalala

Heh. Speak for yourself, cheese-eater.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 09:57 pm
@layman,
Ohhh boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo comrade pissy pants.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:06 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Olivier5 wrote:
You deleted the parts in bold in your quote, probably because you didnt like them... :-)

You hit the nail right on the head. Some folks just stick their fingers in their ears and chant lalalalalalalalalalalalala

Can you point out any significance to the parts that were glossed over?

Or are you just unhappy that he focused on his point instead of bogging down his post with unrelated trivia?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:14 pm
@oralloy,
The bold faced parts that your commie buddy didn't like....you know....the ones Olivier discovered and printed.
layman
 
  -3  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:14 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Can you point out any significance to the parts that were glossed over?


As I subsequently pointed out, the only significance of those omitted parts is detrimental to the cheese-eater narrative insofar as they contain false claims or show the stark contrast between republican "opp research" and the democrats' "create some premeditated slanderous fiction for publication" approach to opp research.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:17 pm
@layman,
You made a typo, it should read 'republican oaf research', Nice try comrade pissy pants
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:26 pm
It doesn't get a second's coverage by CNN, but this whole "trump dossier" scandal is getting plenty of steadfast, but quiet, attention from the Senate, not to even mention Sessions' Dept. of Justice. Who knows how many indictments will result? This truly is criminal behavior, unlike the ridiculous charges of criminality attributed by the cheese-eaters to Trump.
 

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