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layman
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 04:32 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

...they aren't going to stop because the Russians believe in fair play, they have to be stopped.


The problem with this suggested solution ('they have to be stopped') is that it's a complete pipe dream, depending on how you define "inserting themselves into our elections."

Nothing can ever stop Russan officials, russian nationals with access to the web, russian media, et al, from making disparaging remarks about an American candidate, if THAT'S what you want to call "inserting themselves."

We definitely do need to beef up our cyber-security and hacking detection methods, though.
layman
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 04:46 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
We definitely do need to beef up our cyber-security and hacking detection methods, though.


But of course even that can't prevent fools like Podesta from telling some hacker who claims he's with google and that he needs Podesta to give him a new password so his email will be secure from hacking, that he wants his new password to be "password," eh?

Nor can it prevent fools like him from REFUSING to let the FBI help him with such problems.

It's a little bit ridiculous for the DNC to run all over creation with a big-ass "HACK ME, PLEASE" sign hung around their sorry neck to then play the victim when their pleas are frequently accomodated.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:02 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
If by "amount to nothing" you mean impeachment, then of course you're right.

The Republicans are not going to impeach a president who has done nothing wrong.


maporsche wrote:
What's happening right now isn't "nothing" though. The negative press this president is getting and creating for himself is exactly what is needed to keep the extremes of your Republican Party in check.

Keep in mind that when Democrats pull dirty tricks like this against Republicans, the Republicans turn around and do the same thing right back at them.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:04 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Regarding #2 ---- I'm going to put this in bold here, because it's important. The Republicans are blocking the Democrats from working on a bipartisen solution. Actively and completely blocking them.

No one trusts a bunch of witch-hunters to be honest participants in the process. The Republicans rightfully fear that if they allowed the Democrats to join the conversation, the Democrats would only sabotage it.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:06 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
The only idea the Dems had to fix the ACA, was to enact Single Payer. That's not fixing anything, that's making it worse.

That depends. The biggest problem with the Democrats and single payer is that the majority of them are delusional and spout gibberish. If they enact something that they call single payer, who knows what sort of nonsense will actually be enacted.

Actual single payer (as opposed to the delusions of the average Democrat) wouldn't necessarily be a disaster, but it is not the best way to run a health care system. Having plans compete against each other in a managed exchange is a far better concept.

I don't fully understand the Singapore model that some Republicans advocate as being even better yet, so I can't say how that would compare.
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layman
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:06 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Keep in mind that when Democrats pull dirty tricks like this against Republicans, the Republicans turn around and do the same thing right back at them.


Of course they're doing that anyway, eh? Just one example is those pills they would spike her drinks with that caused her to **** her diapers during debates, and then fall down, fainting, as she left.

That, like, ROCKED, eh!?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwCJwdQnUyyIR-iWSt9vXs59AmpePtMYRdAJWV1yrsUO8Cu9Hf3g
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:07 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Finally, didn't you hear about the Russians hacking the voter rolls in several states? Oh, they don't cover that in right wing news, so you never heard about it. The Russians were hacking the lists of eligible voters in several counties, especially the ones that lean strongly Democratic. If you'll remember 2000, there were extreme problems with people in Democratic leaning counties disappearing from the voter rolls and told they were ineligible to vote on Election Day.

It'll be poetic justice if, because the Democrats hijacked the investigations into "what happened and how to better protect future elections" and transformed the investigations into a witch hunt to harm the Trump Administration, future elections will remain unprotected and due to future hacking the Democrats lose even more.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:09 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Really? Opposition Research is not a "thing"? Then how come it's written in the campaign budgets year after year. How come I saw Roger Stone on TV some years ago saying his job was doing Opposition Research when questions arose about his visits to clubs which featured women in leather and masks suspended in cages from the ceiling?

Opposition Research is a thing.

The term "thing of value" refers to expensive gifts like Rolex watches or luxurious vacation packages that might be used to bribe a politician.

It doesn't refer to damaging information about their opponent.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:10 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
The issue isn't 'oh ****, the Russians helped Trump', the real issue is that the Russian govt. is disrupting our election process, sowing doubt, and doing everything it can to destabilize the country. Look around, for Christ's sake, they are meddling in France, Germany and every country they can infiltrate. Nothing has changed since 1917 for Russian goals....just the tools at their disposal.
Yes, yes, yes the hand wringers are worried that the Democrats will attempt to nullify the election, they won't. The democrats aren't happy but they know they lost the election. That's it, they lost and there are no avenues to crown a runner-up. What everyone should be in a panic over is the ease with which the Russians have inserted themselves into our elections....they aren't going to stop because the Russians believe in fair play, they have to be stopped.

The Democrats don't care about that. They only care about harming Trump. Any attempts to learn about past hacking and better secure future elections are going to be hijacked by the Democrats to be used in their witch hunts.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:17 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
We definitely do need to beef up our cyber-security and hacking detection methods, though.

It probably won't happen as long as the Democrats are hijacking everything to do with the hacking and using it as a way to attack Trump.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:19 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Just one example is those pills they would spike her drinks with that caused her to **** her diapers during debates, and then fall down, fainting, as she left.

I'm not familiar with this.
layman
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:23 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

layman wrote:
Just one example is those pills they would spike her drinks with that caused her to **** her diapers during debates, and then fall down, fainting, as she left.

I'm not familiar with this.


Most people aren't. I only know because Trump paid a homey of mine to dress up as a table waiter at the bar Hillary hangs out at, and he told me how he did it.

He would ask her things like: "Is that guy with a gun over there trying to shoot you?" When she turned to look, he would say "Sorry, just kidding," after he dropped them tabs in.
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layman
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 05:46 pm
My, my. Look at the schemes the DNC was complicit with foreign governments in perpetrating, eh?

Politico wrote:
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia.

The Ukrainian antipathy for Trump’s team — and alignment with Clinton’s — can be traced back to late 2013. That’s when the country’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort had been advising, abruptly backed out of a European Union pact linked to anti-corruption reforms.

“Now, it seems that a U.S. election may have been seen as a surrogate battle by those in Kiev and Moscow,” Merkel said.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?

Mueller's "foreign meddling" investigation may take many years to complete, eh?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 06:54 pm
@layman,
Well, well, well... Smile
snood
 
  6  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 08:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

maporsche wrote:


Not bullshit. The republicans are actually, in fact, holding closed door meetings with just 13 white republican men.




What special significance do you believe there is in them being "white men?"


It's all a matter of perspective, I think. It probably looks more suspect to those of us that aren't white men. I'm sure that if 13 Black Democratic Congressmen (and I know this is a tall hypothetical) were holding closed door meetings about how to manage one-sixth of our country's GDP, you would observe the whole thing and not wonder once about the make up of the group. Wouldn't you?
layman
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 08:03 pm
@layman,
Quote:
In an interview this month, Chalupa told Politico she had developed a network of sources in Kiev and Washington, including investigative journalists, government officials and private intelligence operatives. She said that, when Trump’s unlikely presidential campaign began surging in late 2015, she began focusing more on the research, and expanded it to include Trump’s ties to Russia, as well.

She shared her findings with officials from the DNC and Clinton’s campaign. The day after Manafort’s hiring was revealed, she briefed the DNC’s communications staff on Manafort, Trump and their ties to Russia, according to an operative familiar with the situation. She quickly found herself in high demand.

A former DNC staffer and the operative familiar with the situation agreed that with the DNC’s encouragement, Chalupa asked embassy staff to try to arrange an interview in which Poroshenko might discuss Manafort’s ties to Yanukovych.

Chalupa confirmed that, a week after Manafort’s hiring was announced, she discussed the possibility of a congressional investigation with a foreign policy legislative assistant in the office of Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), who co-chairs the Congressional Ukrainian Caucus.

Asked about the effort, the Kaptur legislative assistant called it a “touchy subject” in an internal email to colleagues that was accidentally forwarded to Politico.

Chalupa further indicated in her hacked May email to the DNC that she had additional sensitive information about Manafort that she intended to share “offline” with Miranda and DNC research director Lauren Dillon

This included “a big Trump component you and Lauren need to be aware of that will hit in next few weeks and something I’m working on you should be aware of.”


Well, at least Politico has a named source for their tale, eh?
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layman
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 08:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Kinda interesting that this story was published over 6 months ago but we've never heard any howling from the MSM or cheese-eaters about their OUTRAGE over Ukranian meddling in our precious democratic elections and the DNC's participation in it, eh?

You might think that they would be broadcasting new developments on this HUGE foreign meddling scandal 24/7 and repeatedly calling for congressional investigation and special prosecutors, ya know?
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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 08:50 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
. . . a sharp dressed man holding a butchered elephant's tail.



https://lupiloops.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/godswill-detail1.jpg?w=510
"I thought I'd never hear of a Republican cutting off the tail of an . . . elephant!" Crying or Very sad
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layman
 
  -2  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 09:07 pm
Quote:
Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies Did The Same Thing As Don Jr

Many journalists reacted breathlessly to a New York Times report on Sunday revealing that President Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., met with a Russian lawyer who indicated she had damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

Many Trump critics claimed that the NYT report supported the theory that members of the Trump campaign were somehow involved in the Russian government’s hacking of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee.

But Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort’s lone meeting with the Russian lawyer pales when compared to the coordination between Clinton allies and Ukrainian government officials who hoped to see Clinton win the 2016 election.

After Trump’s shocking electoral victory, the Ukrainian government told Politico, “We have never worked to research and disseminate damaging information about Donald Trump and Paul Manafort.” But Andrii Telizhenko, a former Ukrainian embassy officer, told Politico that he was assigned to work with Chalupa.

Oksana was keeping it all quiet,” Telizhenko said, but added that “the embassy worked very closely with” Chalupa, the DNC operative.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/10/everybody-is-forgetting-that-clinton-allies-did-the-same-thing-as-don-jr/

I aint sure that "forgetting" is quite the right word for the headline here, eh? "Willfully ignoring" would seem more fitting, know what I'm sayin?
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layman
 
  -1  
Wed 12 Jul, 2017 09:25 pm
Well, OK, then!!

Quote:
Senate panel weighs bill to cut U.S. funding to Palestinians

With momentum growing in Congress to support legislation that could cut U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority over its payments to convicted terrorists and their families, a senior White House official told Fox News that the administration won’t reward terrorism.

The committee’s ranking member, Sen. Benjamin Cardin, D-Md., said the Palestinians simply must end payment to terrorists. “It’s an incitement to violence,” Cardin said.

The Palestinians spend about $300 million a year – nearly eight percent of their annual budget -- on payments to convicted terrorists and their families. Just last week Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said he would never stop the payments.

One Middle East expert who has worked closely with Congress on Israel and Palestinian issues said the Obama administration blocked any serious effort in Congress to hold the Palestinians responsible.

“For the Trump administration, stopping Palestinian terror payments is near the very top of their list of concerns. Certainly they're not going to lobby on behalf of the Palestinians like the Obama team used to do. So Congress is now going to take the actions against Palestinian terror incitement that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have long wanted to take.


That's what I'm talking about!
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