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Builder
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 02:14 am
@layman,
Harlan Hill, DNC stalwart, came to Australia to sit in on our coverage of election-day shenanigans, and he let slip that the DNC supported Trump's candidacy, on the grounds that it would save them a truckload of money, and guarantee HRC's election.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 02:18 am
@layman,
Were you talking to me? All I could hear was lick lick slobber slobber drool drool drool.

Wipe your chin, and for future reference I don't normally talk to those sans backbone.
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layman
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 02:22 am
@layman,
Comey now admits that he tried (but failed) to write his memos in such a way as make them "easily" disclosable, thereby reinforcing the suspicion that, like J. Edgar Hoover, he was trying to compile a blackmail dossier that he could threaten Trump with.

CNN wrote:
Comey said he specifically wrote the memos to avoid including classified information.

"My thinking was, if I write it in such a way that I don't include anything that would trigger a classification, that'll make it easier for us to discuss...."

On Sunday, writing in The Hill, John Solomon reported that, "More than half of the memos former FBI Director James Comey wrote as personal recollections of his conversations with President Trump about the Russia investigation have been determined to contain classified information.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/comey-lawyer-no-memos-given-to-me-were-marked-classified/index.html
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hightor
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 04:49 am
The Culture of Dishonesty
New York Times 7-11-17
Quote:
At a critical juncture in Donald Trump’s presidential campaign last year, his son Donald Trump Jr. met with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer who promised to share political dirt on Hillary Clinton. Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, and Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and a key strategist, also attended.

The June 9, 2016, meeting is of obvious interest to Robert Mueller III, the Justice Department special counsel investigating the Trump team’s potential involvement in Russia’s effort to influence the presidential election. In two clumsy statements over the weekend, the younger Mr. Trump on Saturday said the meeting was related to Russia’s freezing of an adoption program popular with Americans. When confronted a day later with a Times story citing authoritative sources that Ms. Veselnitskaya had promised damaging material on Mrs. Clinton, he said that the information she supplied was essentially meaningless and merely a “pretext” for discussing the adoption issue.

On the face of it, this seemed a clear though perhaps unintended admission by Donald Trump Jr. that he had gone into the meeting expecting damaging information, and the episode is clearly grist for Mr. Mueller’s mill. As is a report Monday night by The Times that the president’s son had received an email saying Ms. Veselnitskaya’s information came from Moscow. But his shifty statements are also further evidence of how freely his father and the people around the president contort the truth. Only six months in, President Trump has compiled a record of dishonesty — ranging from casual misstatements to flat-out lies — without precedent in the modern presidency. Equally disheartening is his team’s willingness to share in his mendacity.

On Sunday, before Donald Trump Jr. acknowledged that there was a Clinton-related aspect to the meeting, Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, was on Fox News suggesting that the Veselnitskaya episode was “a big nothingburger” for the Trump campaign.
If a culture of dishonesty takes root in an administration, how can Americans believe anything its officials say? Take, for instance, the matter of whether President Vladimir Putin of Russia personally directed Moscow’s hacking of the 2016 presidential election. In statements dating from his first days in office until the eve of his meeting with Mr. Putin in Germany last week, when he said “nobody really knows,” Mr. Trump has deflected and sought to discredit his own intelligence agencies’ finding that Moscow, at Mr. Putin’s direction, tried to disrupt the election to help him win. Rex Tillerson, the secretary of state, said after the American and Russian presidents met in Hamburg that they “had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject” and that Mr. Trump had “pressed” Mr. Putin on the issue. Later, Mr. Trump made much the same claim on Twitter. The Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, had quite a different version of the facts, suggesting that Mr. Trump had characterized the hacking controversy as a “campaign” against Russia in which “not a single fact has been produced.” So whom should Americans believe? In a more credible administration, who would ever ask?

On Monday, Donald Trump Jr. hired a lawyer, while maintaining on Twitter that he’d been forthright in answering questions about the meeting last year. Meanwhile, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, deputy press secretary, blew more smoke: The “only thing I see inappropriate” about the meeting, she said, is that it was leaked to the media.

Of course this whole unfolding scandal could have easily been avoided. The Trump campaign could have simply come out with a statement to the effect that, considering the rigged electoral system and the collusion of the lying fake news media, Mrs. Clinton's probable election victory represented an unprecedented threat to our country and that extraordinary measures would be needed to defeat her. "Because of this dire threat to our republic, the Trump campaign has reached out and responded to any and every possible source of information which might help to derail her campaign, including foreign governments."

But no, they had to sneak around, lying and denying, and let the sordid story play out over the course of many months, critical months when Mr. Trump could have been bringing the country together, reaching out to the opposition, and embarking on sorely needed government initiatives in infrastructure, cyber security, health insurance coverage, and successfully winding down the endless and pointless conflicts begun during the Bush II regime. Sad!!!
maporsche
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 05:28 am
@hightor,
Americans don't like to see how the sausage gets made. Ask Hillary.
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blatham
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 07:41 am
We want America to be even more stupider.

Quote:
According to the survey results released Monday, 58 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning independents say that colleges and universities have had a negative impact on the nation — the first time a majority of Republicans have thought colleges are bad for the country.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/B_EQTz3S5PhHvu8IUN3z4OoXzqE=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8826607/Screen_Shot_2017_07_10_at_11.59.49_AM.png https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/10/15947954/republicans-think-colleges-bad-for-america-media-pew-study
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revelette1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 08:20 am
It turns out there is a crime to go to a meeting with a foreign national accepting a thing of value. The fact that he failed to get that thing of value because the foreign national might play a factor in it, I don't know. But Trump Jr (and Kushner and Monafort) attempted to break federal election law.

Quote:
11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


Cornel Law School

layman
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 08:48 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It turns out there is a crime to go to a meeting with a foreign national accepting a thing of value.... But Trump Jr (and Kushner and Monafort) attempted to break federal election law.


Nice try, cheese-eater; https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1264#post-6462368

You'll fall for anything, eh? How did you find this administrative REGULATION? [Note: you're accusing people of CRIMES, but regulations are not criminal statutes]. What article led you there? What did that author have to say?

Quote:
Some experts disagree, arguing that assistance by the Russian government to the Trump campaign could amount to an illegal campaign contribution by a foreign principal. But as a legal matter, "that's stretching it," said Craig Donsanto, who spent more than 40 years working on election law cases at the Justice Department before he retired. "Where is the contribution?"

Such prosecutions have proven difficult under the best of circumstances, and in 2010 the Supreme Court limited the statute to cases involving bribes and kickbacks.

Accepting information from a foreign government that might be helpful to your campaign is not illegal, he added.

revelette1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:04 am
@layman,
Some expert disagree, which means some don't. It is not a regulation but federal election law.

The law you are referring to is a fraud law, not a federal election law.

Look here
layman
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:14 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Some expert disagree, which means some don't. It is not a regulation but federal election law.

The law you are referring to is a fraud law, not a federal election law.

Look here


Again, nice try. Can you even read your own link? It says it is a regulation. The citation is to the code of federal of regulations (CFR), not to a criminal statute.

Some experts disagree, they say, but those are just wild-eyed commies who want to spread propaganda (for eager consumers of it like you). Any sensible person sees through the obvious contortions they make to try to make something legal "appear" illegal. As the guy in the NBC article explained, there is no "contribution."

Again, if you had an ounce of sincerity/integrity about this issue, you would be all over the Democrats for the fake dossier they bribed russians agent to compile.

They not only "accepted" (false) information, they paid big bucks to get it.

Give it up, Girl.
layman
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:30 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It turns out there is a crime to go to a meeting with a foreign national accepting a thing of value. The fact that he failed to get that thing of value because the foreign national might play a factor in it, I don't know. But Trump Jr (and Kushner and Monafort) attempted to break federal election law.

Quote:
11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


See that? 11 CFR 110....

Did you even read it? It doesn't even purport to regulate american citizens, just "foreign nationals."

Just answer the damn question, eh?

Quote:
How did you find this administrative REGULATION? [Note: you're accusing people of CRIMES, but regulations are not criminal statutes]. What article led you there? What did that author have to say?


My bet is that the author cited it, and rejected it as a valid ground for accusing Trump of any "crimes," but that YOU, all by your lonesome, deleted that and took it upon YOURSELF to announce that Trump was guilty of "crimes." The "liar by ommission" here is probably you.
revelette1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:48 am
@layman,
I actually didn't know what the abbreviation stood for until I hovered over it. In any case, I am by no means a lawyer, others here can answer far better than me. From what I read of it, the act Trump Jr attempted is against federal election law written up as statutes. (I think, in any case, pretty sure it illegal) I have the suspicion you are attempting to throw another red herring into the debate in a dishonest attempt to discredit me. It works.

layman
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:53 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I actually didn't know what the abbreviation stood for until I hovered over it. In any case, I am by no means a lawyer, others here can answer far better than me. From what I read of it, the act Trump Jr attempted is against federal election law written up as statutes. (I think, in any case, pretty sure it illegal) I have the suspicion you are attempting to throw another red herring into the debate in a dishonest attempt to discredit me. It works.


You admit you're not a lawyer, but have no problem whatsoever in making the unqualified claim that Trump is a criminal, while purporting to cite "legal authority" which you can neither read nor understand.

I don't have to do anything to "discredit" you. You accomplish that just fine all by yourself.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so anxious to make pronouncements about things you don't understand, eh?
revelette1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 09:56 am
Quote:
Emails Show Trump Jr. Excited for Russian Offer: 'I Love It'

The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.


More at the NYT
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 10:03 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I have the suspicion you are attempting to throw another red herring into the debate in a dishonest attempt to discredit me. It works.


Your suspicion is unfounded. Federal regulations apply only to federal employees, candidates for office and others in special circumstances. Federal law applies to everyone within the government's jurisdiction. Where Trump Jr. fits into all that is unclear. Bill Clinton took a huge fee for a meeting & speech to a Russian company that had just bought Most of Canada's uranium mine assets from a US/Canadian firm following Hillary's approval of the deal. The buyer then went on to make a large contribution to the Clinton foundation, coordinated by Sydney Blumenthal and other Clinton political functionaries being paid rich salaries by the foundation. How about that?
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revelette1
 
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Tue 11 Jul, 2017 10:04 am
@layman,
Well, I think I have been giving you more of my time than you deserve, your only purpose is to try and find some small meaningless mistake I may have made and get me tangled in knots (without disproving the main point), which is not hard to do. I am finished with you, please do not respond to any of my post because I will not be responding to you.
 

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