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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

He's in way over his head and so are his simpleton sons and son-in-law.

I think that's a view held by many complacent time servers in our Federal Bureaucracy. They tend to suppose that they and their department's priorities & prerogatives are of some lasting significance in the world; and that, like glitterbag in this post, that they are fit judges of rest of us and what we really want. I suppose that goes with the territory for those attracted to such pursuits. However we are a Federal democracy , and the people & states rule.

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A couple of years ago, Trump, Jr., was walking through the russian section of Brooklyn. He heard one russian tell another that Hillary Clinton was a "filthy ****."

He later said that he decided that he might use that phrase as a campaign slogan if his dad ever ran for president. He tossed it around in his head a bit, and turned it into "You'd be a mental runt if you voted for that filthy ****."

But, until recently, he NEVER DISCLOSED this russian influence on the campaign. What a "liar," eh?

He also wanted to apply Dan's Akroyd's familar "ignorant slut" to Clinton. Ackroyd is known to be of russian descent.

His idea was to have Hell's Angels attend Clinton rallies and chant: "We'll kick your sorry butt if you vote for that ignorant slut."

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@layman,

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She [Ginch]also needs some braces for them buck-teeth of hers, eh?

One of the worst cases I ever saw, almost looks like her real father must have been a horse....

https://whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/400_animal-expression-goofy-farmyard-animals-goofy-horse-pictures-smiling-horse-60410.jpg

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

He's in way over his head and so are his simpleton sons and son-in-law.

I think that's a view held by many complacent time servers in our Federal Bureaucracy. They tend to suppose that they and their department's priorities & prerogatives are of some lasting significance in the world; and that, like glitterbag in this post, that they are fit judges of rest of us and what we really want. I suppose that goes with the territory for those attracted to such pursuits. However we are a Federal democracy , and the people & states rule.

While I'm sure there are more than a few "complacent time servers" riding out their tenures in the Federal Bureaucracy, I also believe there are no few dedicated public servants and I've no idea why they shouldn't think that they and their department's priorities & prerogatives are of some lasting significance in the world.

There is a problem within this massive bureaucratic hive where public servants often consider themselves the masters, and citizens, the servants.

The condescension of the person to whom you've alluded, toward the riffraff of American is due, I think, less to her being a federal bureaucrat (or having been - I hope she's retired because she spends a lot of time on the internet during work hours!) then her "progressive" ideology which, of course, embraces the notion that elite government technocrats know better than citizens. It's a slender distinction but it allows for federal bureaucrats who don't share her disdain for so many of the people she serves, or served.

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@layman,

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Some private attorney, who happens to be russian, is not "the Kremlin

Or Kremlin cut outs.

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Trump, Jr never "lied" about what was said, as your own source admits

My source admitting no such thing.
Trump Jr first said all they talked about was the Russian adoption service. It wasn't until Sunday he admitted the Russian lawyer lured him with dirt on Clinton. (or words to that effect)

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This meeting was also disclosed by both Kushner and Manafort on their security clearance questionnaires

What source do you have the particular meeting with Trump Jr and Russian Lawyer was disclosed by Kushner or Manafort? If this particular meeting was already known, it would not have made the news both Saturday and Sunday.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

My source admitting no such thing.
Trump Jr first said all they talked about was the Russian adoption service. It wasn't until Sunday he admitted the Russian lawyer lured him with dirt on Clinton. (or words to that effect)

Rev, you've proved over and over that you don't read so good, eh? Try again.

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@revelette1,

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What source do you have the particular meeting with Trump Jr and Russian Lawyer was disclosed by Kushner or Manafort? If this particular meeting was already known, it would not have made the news both Saturday and Sunday.

It's been widely reported, by, for example, the NYT and it would have been published by WaPo also, if they wanted to let you know it. They probably didn't.

Again, try reading, eh?

Here ya go, try reading this. Try hard, now, OK?

The New York Times wrote:

The Trump Tower meeting was disclosed to government officials in recent weeks, when Mr. Kushner, who is also a senior White House aide, filed a revised version of a confidential form required to obtain a security clearance.

Mr. Manafort, the former campaign chairman, also recently disclosed the meeting, and Donald Trump Jr.’s role in organizing it, to congressional investigators who had questions about his foreign contacts, according to people familiar with the events.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?_r=0

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

While I'm sure there are more than a few "complacent time servers" riding out their tenures in the Federal Bureaucracy, I also believe there are no few dedicated public servants and I've no idea why they shouldn't think that they and their department's priorities & prerogatives are of some lasting significance in the world.

There are indeed. However my experience has been that their relative numbers have decreased substantially over the past decade, and beyond that we have seen the long-term decay of once mission focused, productive government organizations into self-serving, complacent bureaucracies. The Army Corps of Engineers, the Energy Department, the EPA and the interior Departments are prime examples with which I have ample direct experience.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

There is a problem within this massive bureaucratic hive where public servants often consider themselves the masters, and citizens, the servants.

That's a universal truth, well illustrated over a century ago in Gogol's comic Play and short story, "The Government Inspector"

I agree with you that advocates of "progressive ideologies" with the attendant preference for government efforts to "guide" the (presumably stupid ) population to "right" behavior in their economic and social lives makes one especially prone to such self-important nonsense.

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Sarsour, the new face of demopoopism....

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@layman,

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“We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up,” he said.

The above is what Trump Jr said Saturday, by Sunday he admitted about the dirt on Clinton. He did not admit anything about any information on Clinton on Saturday which is why he went to the meeting in the first place. It was a cover-up misleading statement. He lied by omission.

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@revelette1,

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If this particular meeting was already known, it would not have made the news both Saturday and Sunday.

It aint "news." It's the product of these sleaze-bags searching desperately to find *something* they think they can make look improper (to fools, that is).

They spend all their time trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

As reasonable people laugh hardily and say; "That aint no silk, foo. That come offa fuckin pig."

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@revelette1,

You said:

revelette1 wrote:

My source admitting no such thing.
Trump Jr first said all they talked about was the Russian adoption service.

Your own source reported what Trump actually said, not what you want him to have said:

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“We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government...

Rather than just admit you were wrong, you now try to re-define "lying."

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He lied by omission.

Heh, LIED, by omission, eh? To date you have not disclosed your social security number and bank account number to me.

You are LYING BY OMISSION, I tellya!

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@layman,

I didn't read this particular piece or if I did I must have skipped over the part about how the whole story came out. I was in fact wondering how it came out. So, thanks.

Apparently this meeting was previously unknown until Kushner recently completed a revised version of a form he needed to fill out for security clearance. In April when he first filled out the form, he didn't mention anything about any meetings Russians. So yes, the pattern continues, lie, obscure/omit pertinent facts, finally coming clean with justifications.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

I didn't read this particular piece or if I did I must have skipped over the part about how the whole story came out. I was in fact wondering how it came out. So, thanks.

Apparently this meeting was previously unknown until Kushner recently completed a revised version of a form he needed to fill out for security clearance. In April when he first filled out the form, he didn't mention anything about any meetings Russians. So yes, the pattern continues, lie, obscure/omit pertinent facts, finally coming clean with justifications.

You just can't quit with your distortions, eh? The NYT did not simply say "recently" as you have told it. It said "in recent WEEKS..."

And of course you leave this part of the story completely out, too.

The NYT wrote:

....the omissions were an error, and that he had immediately notified the F.B.I. that he would be revising the filing.

Not to mention that you just got through claiming, a day or two ago, that Kushner NEVER updated his questionnaire.

That's a lot of packing for one short post, eh?

Do you frequently present, as known fact, **** that you have no basis for claiming but just WANT to be true, Rev?

No need to answer that, you already have--many times.

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@georgeob1,

George, there are days you speak as if you are a fatheaded nincompoop. I don't dislike you, but I think you believe in some sort of class system that should favor fair haired boys like you. I would love to thank you for your military service, but will wait for clarification in case you didn't mean to include active duty military as 'time servers' feeding at the public trough. I'm sure you don't think Defense contractors are profiteers....you do seem to have a contemptuous view of anyone you suspect doesn't agree with you. What a pity. ((Not for me of course, I live in Annapolis, home of the Naval Academy....I've been stationed along side navy personnel and worked for a few Navy Captains and Admirals...I'm aware of how they view their station in life as well as how they view others))

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@layman,

Rev, if you're trying to find somebody who's trying to hide ****, you might want to take a look at James Comey, eh?

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@layman,

Prove that I said Kushner didn't update his questionnaire a few days ago.

Nevertheless, in his first version he omitted any meeting with any Russians. Perhaps he rethought it or "remembered it", but it sure took him a long time to complete the revision. It is now July, his first was completed in April. And what is the big difference between recently and recent weeks?

I am trying to figure out how in the world such an odd meeting with that Russian lawyer in which Trump Jr arranged and his meeting with Russian bankers could have been forgotten and then "immediately remembered" after he already turned in his form to the FBI. It would seem like those kinds of things would stand out in one's memory when the whole country has been obsessed with Russia and the Russian interference in the election.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Prove that I said Kushner didn't update his questionnaire a few days ago.

Nevertheless, in his first version he omitted any meeting with any Russians. Perhaps he rethought it or "remembered it", but it sure took him a long time to complete the revision. It is now July, his first was completed in April. And what is the big difference between recently and recent weeks?

I am trying to figure out how in the world such an odd meeting with that Russian lawyer in which Trump Jr arranged and his meeting with Russian bankers could have been forgotten and then "immediately remembered" after he already turned in his form to the FBI. It would seem like those kinds of things would stand out in one's memory when the whole country has been obsessed with Russia and the Russian interference in the election.

You just won't quit with your lies, eh, Rev?

He never once said he didn't REMEMBER it. EVER. He immediately said his form had inadvertently been prematurely submitted, that he'd had NUMEROUS contacts with foreign officials, and that he'd be happy to answer any questions about them.

He further revealed that he was going through years worth of calendars, appointment books, phone logs, and notes (a very time-consuming matter) in an effort to make sure they all got reported.

You know what you said. I'm not going to waste time trying to find it again now.

Nice try, cheese-eater.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Prove that I said Kushner didn't update his questionnaire a few days ago.

Nevertheless, in his first version he omitted any meeting with any Russians. Perhaps he rethought it or "remembered it", but it sure took him a long time to complete the revision. It is now July, his first was completed in April. And what is the big difference between recently and recent weeks?

I am trying to figure out how in the world such an odd meeting with that Russian lawyer in which Trump Jr arranged and his meeting with Russian bankers could have been forgotten and then "immediately remembered" after he already turned in his form to the FBI. It would seem like those kinds of things would stand out in one's memory when the whole country has been obsessed with Russia and the Russian interference in the election.

Is "name any Russian you have spoken with" an actual question on the form or is it rather your fantasy that it is?

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