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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Frugal1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 03:41 pm
@tony5732,
I know, the pitiful poor losers are ready to pounce on anything without question and without thinking... What will the Snowflakes do when Trump is declared the indisputable winner, and then find out HRC received even less EC votes because some switched from Clinton to Sanders? What will they do?
blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:00 pm
Missing trope alert! Missing trope alert!

One of the most commonplace tropes in right wing US rhetoric over the years has been - "Chamberlain! Appeasement!" This was always wielded from the right and directed at leaders on the left as a device to solidify the notions that Republicans were real tough and manly re foreign threats while Dems were soft and feminine, that Republicans had the spine and grit to stand up to enemies while Dems could be counted on only to back down, plead and toss delicate diplomatic doilies about the room.

This has been an observable commonplace for decades, the most recent example was "the Obama apology tour" which was featured broadly and repeatedly across right wing media and in speeches by GOP politicos. Conversely, you have Bush in a flight suit on a carrier deck (in that most blatant of Leni Riefenstahl style propaganda presentations).

Now, consider Trump and Putin's Russia. What complaints have we seen from the right on this one? The strongest I've bumped into were statements from McCain or Graham
Quote:
Lindsey Graham ✔ @LindseyGrahamSC
Russia is trying to break the backs of democracies – and democratic movements – all over the world.

But notice this is merely an indictment of Russia. There's no component where Trump is described as an appeaser, as or for acting like Chamberlain.


tony5732
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:10 pm
@Frugal1,
We do it too when it's a liberal in charge. I think its about very fundamental differences in ideology buried in facts and statistics that can be looked at from different angles.
Frugal1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:15 pm
@tony5732,
We are much more civilized & logical.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:17 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Missing trope alert! Missing trope alert!

One of the most commonplace tropes in right wing US rhetoric over the years has been - "Chamberlain! Appeasement!" This was always wielded from the right and directed at leaders on the left as a device to solidify the notions that Republicans were real tough and manly re foreign threats while Dems were soft and feminine, that Republicans had the spine and grit to stand up to enemies while Dems could be counted on only to back down, plead and toss delicate diplomatic doilies about the room.

This has been an observable commonplace for decades, the most recent example was "the Obama apology tour" which was featured broadly and repeatedly across right wing media and in speeches by GOP politicos. Conversely, you have Bush in a flight suit on a carrier deck (in that most blatant of Leni Riefenstahl style propaganda presentations).

Now, consider Trump and Putin's Russia. What complaints have we seen from the right on this one? But notice this is merely an indictment of Russia. There's no component where Trump is described as an appeaser, as for acting like Chamberlain.


The Obama apology tour preceeded the bug out from Iraq , the subsequent rise of ISIS, the temporary rise of an Islamist regime in Egypt, the disintegration of hope in Lybia after Khadaffi's fall, the attack on our Bengazi consulate, and Obama's "red line" and indifference to the continuing disintegration of Syria and the continuing destruction there. It was indeed a Chamberlainesque moment and the results fully testify to that.

Obama continued his weak and directionless policy with Putin as he annexed half of Armenia, all of Crimea and continues to threaten the independence of Ukrane. Recall his sucking up to Russian PM Medvedev on a hot mic a few years ago.

Trump hasn't yet taken office and we don't know how he will deal with Putin. However almost anything else would be better than the current situation. Blatham is looking too hard for his material.

However it was a good excuse for using the word "trope". Ordinary people use metaphor.
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blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:22 pm
Welcome to the modern GOP
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Trump's Budget Director Pick Spoke at a John Birch Society Event
The group, best known for anti-communist paranoia, now embraces conspiracy theories about Obamacare and the United Nations.

...Update 3:45 p.m.: Mother Jones obtained audio of Mulvaney's speech to the John Birch Society chapter. In the speech, Mulvaney blasted the Federal Reserve, saying its actions have "effectively devalued the dollar" and "choke[d] off economic growth." He praised bitcoin as a currency that is "not manipulatable by any government." He told his audience, "You all put out some really good stuff and it's always interesting." He said he was "looking forward to reading The Shadows of Power," a 1988 book by James Perloff with the subtitle "The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline." The book advances conspiracy theories about the New York-based think tank, alleging that it advocates "the creation of a world government." After referring to this book, he told the crowd, "Keep doing it."
LINK

Everyone feel better now? And let's recall that right at the center of the huge Koch operation are two boys whose daddy was one of the key figures in launching the John Birch Society. Let's also keep in mind Ike's letter to his brother Edgar:
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Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

georgeob1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:43 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:

His commentary, posted here by Blatham, presumes insights into Trump's mode of thinking

My impression of Trump's selections


pretty much even for value eh


Not at all. Trump's selections for his cabinet and other posts are verifiable facts, involving people with well-established records. A large fraction of them are people with independent records of significant achievment and records of strong management. Moreover there are remarkably few political debts indicated in the group. This too is both significant and unusual. So far Trump appears to have selected a group of strong and independent deputies with evident track records in the areas they will be working in.

Blatham's and Waldman's musings and speculations about the inner workings of Trumps psyche and character are just that --- uninformed speculation.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:47 pm
@blatham,
You are starting to adopt a rather McCarthyesque tone. Running out of material?
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blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 04:53 pm
@georgeob1,
How could I make the mistake of not thinking that what is important here is the author or the sentences accompanying these things Trump actually said about himself? Or that these quotes from Trump bear no attention while Waldman's suggestion that these quotes from Trump suggest the dude is kinda fucked up is the most salient focus?

You're down the rabbit hole, george, and you're digging deeper in each day.

Quote:
I suspect that distrust comes from what is obviously his profound intellectual insecurity — no actual smart person goes around saying things like “I’m, like, a smart person” and “Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy” and “I have a very good brain” and “Look, if I were a liberal Democrat, people would say I’m the super genius of all time” and “Look, I went to the best school, I was a good student and all of this stuff. I mean, I’m a smart person,” unless they have some serious issues.

But for whatever reason, Trump is positively contemptuous of those with expertise, as we saw over and over during the campaign. Trump would assure us that “I know more about ISIS than the generals do,” or “I know more about renewables than any human being on earth” or “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world.” These are things he actually said and seems to believe.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 05:06 pm
@blatham,
Trump has an unusually blunt manner of speaking, particuarly for a politician, perhaps very New York, and in your face in style. All very easily taken out of context. No argument from me on the side effects of it.

However your and Waldman's suggestions about the presumed inner workings of hs psyche are far fetched to say the least. You appear to be hyperventillating about very little.

I read an insightful remark a few days ago (don't remember from whom) to the effect that the liberal media are reading Trump literally while missing and ignoring his real meaning; while Trump supporters are reading and getting his meaning while ignoring his literal text. I'll acknowlege the possibility that both could be wrong in surprising ways, but increasingly see a clear and consistent pattern in his actions.

I remain glad that we have a legislature and independent branches of government that often act to restrain each other. (Unfortunately we have seen very little constructive action in that area during the past eight years.)

I am optimistic and refreshed by the indications so far.

We shall see.....
tony5732
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 05:08 pm
@Frugal1,
At this point in time conservatives are acting more like the adults than liberals, I agree. We aren't using mainstream media, we aren't letting celebrities do our politics, and we are not rioting.
I would like to see a legitimate third party take power one of these days. That's the next interesting thing I can see happening.
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blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 05:13 pm
Things Trump's friends think and say, chapter 87, from Alex Jones (Trump's been on his show and Roger Stone is a frequent guest).
Quote:
Alex Jones Warns Trump That The CIA Is Trying To “Assassinate” The President-Elect
Jones Previously Said The CIA Was Involved In 9/11 And The Oklahoma City And Boston Marathon Bombings
High Plains Grifter
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blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 05:27 pm
@georgeob1,
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I read an insightful remark a few days ago (don't remember from whom) to the effect that the liberal media are reading Trump literally while missing and ignoring his real meaning;

That was from Lewandowski. It's a justification for the rejection of facts, the forwarding of blatant untruths and the promotion of a level of self-aggrandizement which represents either a conman or a lunatic. It was also a means of suggesting that mainstream media, honesty and rationalism are at fault, not Trump.

As I've said before, Trump is playing this exactly in the manner of a pro wrestling promoter. The only way his fans can match him to the job he's about to take on is to buy into and applaud the con man's style while at the same minimizing the demands of the most powerful and significant post in the world
blatham
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 05:58 pm
And chance this incoming House will investigate this one?
Quote:
"The Embassy of Kuwait allegedly cancelled a contract with a Washington, D.C. hotel days after the presidential election, citing political pressure to hold its National Day celebration at the Trump International Hotel instead.
A source tells ThinkProgress that the Kuwaiti embassy, which has regularly held the event at the Four Seasons in Georgetown, abruptly canceled its reservation after members of the Trump Organization pressured the ambassador to hold the event at the hotel owned by the president-elect. The source, who has direct knowledge of the arrangements between the hotels and the embassy, spoke to ThinkProgress on the condition of anonymity because the individual was not authorized to speak publicly. ThinkProgress was also able to review documentary evidence confirming the source’s account.

LINK
Um, no. Can we say this with a very high level of certainty? Yes.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:12 pm
@blatham,
Any way I can get this without paying $22? Im retired and at this time of year short of money.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:15 pm
@blatham,
He is right. There was voter fraud. But he is mistaken in who perpetrated it. Not the dems, but the repubs. tRump has been admitting to it since the campaign started.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:20 pm
@Debra Law,
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I think that is a sign that the last couple of generations have failed to teach and learn critical thinking skills.


I agree. I have thought that the schools have been teaching kids how they SHOULD think, not how to think for themselves.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:22 pm
@Blickers,
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So now lies are accepted on A2K, corrections are downvoted?


Not by people who can think for themselves.
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giujohn
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:23 pm
Well it's official boys and girls...The Donald is your Supreme Commander...the EC has spoken...Let the whining continue!
RABEL222
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:27 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
journalists could find themselves prosecuted for the crime of reporting the news


Keep in mind that tRump was elected by a minority of voters and that millions dident even vote. I think that a majority of people will recognize his bs.
 

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