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jcboy
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 06:47 pm
If Handel wins, Trump will take credit. If Osoff wins, Trump will claimed it is rigged. But it is being overplayed. The fact that it has been red since the Carter years and that it will be a close race says volumes. Last 3 elections, Republicans have won by well over 20%. The fact that it's even a race is still a very good sign as the Trump administration implodes. It's not a must win for either side. For Democrats, a close race is a good sign.

Off to Miami tomorrow to visit grandma, ciao Razz

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layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:17 pm
@layman,
But, ya might say, Twain was assessing things back in the 1860's. Surely things were different in more modern times, right? Surely the muslims became more tolerant of others with different cultures and beliefs. Wrong.

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In 1915 the Ottoman government started the extermination of its ethnic Armenian population, resulting in the death of approximately 1.5 million Armenians in the Armenian Genocide.

The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and systematic massacre.

Large-scale massacres were also committed against the Empire's Greek and Assyrian minorities as part of the same campaign of ethnic cleansing.


Thank God the muslim Ottoman Empire was finally obliterated in 1922--the fate Twain said they had deserved for over 1,000 years. But, problem is, you can take the muslim out of the caliphate, but you can't take the caliphate out of the muslim.

If you ever wondered where Hitler got the inspiration for his "final solution," you only need to look to the muslims, who teamed up with him to exterminate all jews during the 1940's, ya know?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:33 pm
@layman,
Yep, precisely as I expected

I'm not going to criticize the entire Muslim population of London or the UK in general because WaPo reporters were able to find a few willing to complain about being victims.

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“We are easy targets because of the way we dress and when we pray,”


Not easier than someone mowed down by a truck or hacked to death by a knife simply because they happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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“But every time there is an attack here or elsewhere, we are blamed. When we are attacked, people look away.”


This is simply not true. Officials in London and the national government have gone out of their way not to blame innocent Muslims for these attacks and millions of British citizens have repeatedly voiced their support. Maybe the country doesn't go on high alert when a Muslim's car is pelted with a bag of vomit, but no one inside the UK or, in the rest of the Western world, 'looked away" after the recent attack outside the London mosque.

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Tensions have also been running high since Britain’s decision to leave the European Union, a vote that was largely driven by anti-immigrant rhetorica message that was further reinforced by some of Britain’s right-leaning tabloids and spread by populist European politicians promising to stem immigration and tackle terrorism associated with IS.


I know that's what many Remainers and the Left would have us all believe, but it's not the universal view, and there is a vast difference between being anti-immigration and anti-immigrant. WaPo reporters probably all believe that immigration is somehow at the core of the advancement of human civilization, but there is nothing morally wrong with being against certain aspects of immigration policy, or, for that matter, immigration as a whole . Wanting to close a nation's borders to additional immigration may or may not serve any useful and productive purpose and the desire to do so may even be motivated by bigotry in some or many, but immigration is not recognized the world over, and across diverse cultures, as a basic human right. Not believing that every person in the world who lives outside of your borders has a inalienable right to reside within your borders is not indicative of a flawed morality.

“I feel unsafe,” said Emma Salem, a 15-year-old Muslim who lives in the neighborhood targeted on Monday.

I would expect anyone living in a neighborhood where such an incident took place to feel unsafe immediately after it took place and even for weeks or months thereafter. It is sad and unfortunate that a young girl of any faith should feel this way, but if the fear is based solely on this incident that is something much, much different than one based on a series of incidents over an extended period of time. Of course the WaPo reporter doesn't offer us any further insight into the source of Emma's fear, but just melodramatically leaves it there, as if it tells us all we need to know. Not to dismiss this young girl's fear, but 15 year old girls have been known to be prone to the dramatic (just like WaPo reporters) and regardless, the comment of one girl can't possible be seriously taken to represent the feelings of all young Muslim girls in the neighborhood, let alone London or the entire country, however that is precisely what these reporters intend for us to believe.

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“The rampant rise in Islamophobia has been perpetuated by right-wing newspapers and outlets. This has led to an atmosphere where it is acceptable to harass and ostracize Muslims. The Muslim community is constantly demonized.”
says Mohammed Shafiq, head of the Ramadhan Foundation as he demonizes the "right-wing newspapers and outlets." I don't know if the WaPo reporters were simply lazy, too intent upon a predetermined narrative for their story, or worked real hard but came up with very little, but this article simply doesn't support the contention, with evidence, that London has "an atmosphere where it is acceptable to harass and ostracize Muslims." In fact, I just read a report that some London big shot's son was being charged with a hate speech crime for posting a thoroughly tasteless comment about the incident. Doesn't sound like "Islamaphobia" of any sort, let alone "rampant" is being ignored by authorities.

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Residents of Finsbury Park said they were angry that the police seemed slow to call Monday’s incident a “terror attack.”


Welcome to the club folks. Do these residents also get angry when the police are "slow" to call an incident involving a Muslim a "terror attack?" I can understand their frustration , but authorities can't rush to judgment when an incident involves Muslim victims but maintain "sensible restraint" when it involves a Muslim perpetrator.

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“There has been an outpouring of sympathy for all the recent terror attacks but hardly a whisper on this attack,” said 23-year-old Ali Habib,


Really? C'mon now.

Not only am I not going to blame all of London's Muslim residents for the comments of a few, I'm not going to blame those few (at least not the ones who are residents of the neighborhood). I'm sure it was a terrifying incident and emotions are bound to run hot after such an experience, but no such excuse applies to the WaPo reporters who clearly did their best to convey an environment that doesn't align with other reports we've received, but does align with their bias.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Well I get where you're coming from but I still think people are getting trolled by this stuff and inadvertently bestowing it with overblown significance and undeserved attention.

There have always been people shooting their mouth off in the letters section of your small town paper. The difference now is that we allow tens of thousands of these self-appointed "people with something to say" into our media mix and at this stage in our cultural evolution we are not equipped to deal with the unintended consequences of this and countless other manifestations of "progress".

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I also don't think he's clever enough to have left clues for it being a parody, so he could make that claim at a later date, but even that's more likely than it having always been intended as a parody of the right.

I don't know what his intentions were and I don't particularly care. I read it as political hyperbole because the facts were construed in an outrageous manner in order for him to arrive at the conclusion he wished to drive home. Change a few names and locations and it could be a right wing screed against Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. I can't believe you guys take this stuff seriously.
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You seem to think that you are somehow the arbiter of what corrosive rhetoric is a big enough deal to care about...

Well yes, I do. Neither Bruni, nor layman, nor you have actually shown me anything other than what each of you think is a "big enough deal to care about".
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...and so you dismissed layman's comments because he happened to think Fuller's article in some way was [a big deal], and you obviously don't.

No I don't think it was a big deal. Fuller's opinions mean about as much to me as layman's — symptomatic of social division and cultural decline in general but insignificant at the level of the individual. There are millions and millions of opinions shared by billions of people. That's where I would critique the Bruni article. (I'm not above re-posting a well-written and germane article whose conclusions I might not endorse 100% — I didn't subject it to criticism, I just thought that it was well-written and pertinent.) Too much hand-wringing for me. I don't think the other side is "evil" because they have different priorities and evaluate information as how it accords with their political outlook and economic aspirations. Hell, everyone does that.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or hurt by your derision or dismissal...

Thank goodness for that!
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I'm just pointing out your inconsistency.

Had I made myself clear I might have saved you the trouble.

snood
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:44 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

He might not know he's lying, he may just be relying on someone else to do the hard lifting. You know, looking up quotes, verifying facts, the sort of stuff that actual smart people do.

No, we've had this exact same exchange, about the exact same quote, weeks ago. Finn and someone else jumped in immediately to defend Lameman - you know... his intention wasn't to lie, he was only kidding, etc. I went and found the accurate quote.

[edit] It turns out, after researching a little more, that Clemens did, in fact, have some racism and animosity toward Moslems. But that quote Lameman used was still doctored from the original, which did not say 'muslim'.

NO matter. Lameman and a few others don't need Clemens as an excuse to hate muslims. They don't need any help to feel they are justified if they call for them to all be herded together and run out of the country or killed.

That's pure, raw, insane, useless destructive hate.
layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
To support their bogus claim of a "rising wave of violence," Wapo starts out with "This month alone," and then proceeds to list a very few petty instances of non-violent misbehavior by "Islamophobes."

What they didn't say was "This month alone, dozen of British citizens have been slaughtered by muslim killers in Manchester, on the London Bridge, and at the Parliment."

A rather mild response by the Brits, eh?
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:52 pm
@jcboy,
Have a good trip, folks!
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layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 07:54 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

I went and found the accurate quote that didn't say "muslim" and pointed out that Samuel Clemens very likely never had anything bad to say about Muslims.


Heh. "Pointed that out" didja?
layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 08:03 pm
@layman,
Snood wrote:
[edit] It turns out, after researching a little more, that Clemens did, in fact, have some racism and animosity toward Moslems.


After "a little more researching," eh? Like reading my next post, ya mean, which you had already seen "weeks ago," by your account.

Well, Snoody, I guess it's possible for even chumps like you to learn something, eventually, now and again. I must say I'm quite surprised.
layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 08:09 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

There have always been people shooting their mouth off in the letters section of your small town paper.

Finn was never complaining about what "one guy" thought. He was questioning Huffpo for attempting to BROADCAST that garbage all over the world.

Nice try, cheese-eater.
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layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 08:19 pm
Quote:
Republican Karen Handel Defeats Democrat Jon Ossoff in Georgia

Handel’s victory in the closely fought contest, which drew national interest and was the most expensive House race ever at over $40 million, comes as good news for President Donald Trump. Democrats had promoted the contest as a referendum on the president.

Trump has repeatedly weighed in on the race, using Twitter on Tuesday to warn voters that Ossoff "wants to raise your taxes to the highest level and is weak on crime and security."

Ossoff spent the day crisscrossing the district to visit polling places and give pep talks to volunteers.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/georgia-election-results-ossoff-handel-n774936

Nice try, cheese-eaters.

P.S. there's a video at that link of some MSNBC cheese-eater's assessment of what's at stake. Some might find it interesting.
giujohn
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 08:51 pm
So much for the midterms huh?

Poor little melting snowflakes...they just don't get it.

All the talk about outlawing the democratic party... they're doing themselves... hahaha hahaha hahaha.

Did they really think all the left coast money was gonna influence those southerners? Hell, if anything it pissed them off and brought more to the polls in opposition. What dumb asses.

I really think Trump could take a dump on the White House lawn at high noon and still beat these dumb ass liberals.

The only one who might have a chance against him is Uncle Joe...but his foot-in-mouth disease is worse that Trump's. LOL
layman
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:00 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

So much for the midterms huh?

Poor little melting snowflakes...they just don't get it.
Yeah, John. According to that MSNBC cheese-eater with the candyass goatee (who claims his name is "Chuck Toad," or something like that)
this was a "highly-educated district" where Trump "struggled in November, and that was BEFORE he was being investigated."

All the Hollywood "glamor" and California money couldn't buy just a few more votes than Trump got in November to "flip" the district. Good luck, cheese-eaters.
giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:07 pm
@layman,
This is why I don't buy these popularity polls... these dumb ass media types never seem to get it right and are not above lying.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:16 pm
@hightor,
Well, then no doubt you'll pass off as no big deal the next outrageous, corrosive and hateful comment or commentary someone on the right makes. Can't say I recall you going off about one, but my memory isn't what it used to be and posts from the general left of this forum have a tendency to merge together to form one liberal voice. Something I have to do a better job of avoiding.

I actually don't think that in an of itself, Fuller's screed was all that big a deal either. Alone, it's not likely to incite anyone to violence (although you never know what will set a nut off), and he is a bit player in a big game, but it was a nasty piece of work.

And of course you're correct that there are people on the right who write similar screeds, but then I've been acknowledging that for quite a long time so no points scored there.

I don't like them, no matter who writes them. Although my initial reaction is usually mockery, I definitely think they are corrosive and in the aggregate and over time they are deepening the divide in this country which I think is very unhealthy and even dangerous. The more public figures speak and write about violence in the context of an acceptable political response the less outrageous it will seems and the more likely it will be that extremists who are not raving lunatics will resort to it.

(I won't repeat myself about how I feel about **** heels who spew this stuff under the cover of artistic expression.)

As much as I find the people who employ this rhetoric as both absurd and corrosive, I've absolutely no patience for phony moralists who employ divisive rhetoric while speaking out against it. Frank Bruni for example. Someone who says or writes something like "I will admit that some of this rhetoric has come from my side..." and then can't resist following with the usual "but...the other side started it; the other side is infinitely much worse about it, the ratio between the other side and my side is like 90:10, the other side kicks dogs and disrespects their grandmothers, etc. etc. etc." are obvious frauds who should just shut the hell up, because they are certainly not doing anything to improve the nature of public discourse; they are only trying to lay claim to moral superiority for their tribe and themselves. What's more, the ones who gets highly indignant if someone says or writes that their side is as much to blame as the other, and goes off about intellectual dishonesty, lack of interest in engaging in serious research, and blatant lying, are assholes as well as frauds.

I hope you do finish your follow-up on the Bruni piece because I'm interested in your take. I'm sure it will be wrong headed and indicative my my point sailing way over your head, but it will provide me with a launching pad for another 1,000 word essay.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:34 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Snerd wrote:
[edit] It turns out, after researching a little more, that Clemens did, in fact, have some racism and animosity toward Moslems.


The good news for the government cheese eaters here is that if they go one spouting the stupid **** about I-slam being a race long enough, it might actually stop being bullshit. That is, I-slam may not be a race NOW, but if they keep the inbreeding **** up for another two or three centuries, they are in danger of it BECOMING one.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:38 pm
@layman,
The coming slammite race(What happens when people married their own cousins for 1400 years...):

https://www.google.com/search?q=pakistan+rat+people&client=opera&hs=tet&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQi8fjgM7UAhUH0IMKHVc7AgIQ_AUICigB&biw=1097&bih=536#imgrc=PI0A_MiJ4GoVkM:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lqb6KNuEKRs/U6g1Xb_bZOI/AAAAAAAAfD4/Q45wYZLlvq8/s1600/microcephaly.jpg

http://thedcgazette.com/2014/muslim-inbreeding-may-genetic-catastrophe/
layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:54 pm
@gungasnake,
Easy to see why they call them "rat people," eh? Good Lawd!

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A Danish psychologist warns that 1,400 years of inbreeding, marrying first cousins, may be wreaking havoc on Muslim intelligence, health and sanity.

A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred, which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequences greatly, says Nicolai Sennels, author of the book Among Criminal Muslims and articles on the psychology of Islam and Muslims.

Almost half of Muslims worldwide are estimated to be inbred, with 70 percent of marriages in Pakistan, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia and 80 percent in Nubia in southern Egypt in consanguineous (blood-related) marriages to first cousins, to name just a few of the countries, he cites.

Combining his own research and several studies, Sennels says the genetic damage of such intermarriage, which is part of Islamic religion and culture since their prophet, Mohammad, allowed it, is causing lower intelligence (IQs), increased physical defects and greater incident of mental illness.


Well, that explains a lot, eh?
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layman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:07 pm
@gungasnake,
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The limited ability to understand, appreciate and produce knowledge following a limited IQ is probably also partly the reason why Muslim countries produce 1/10 of the World average when it comes to scientific research, he says.

The lack of interest in science and human development in the Muslim World is also clear in the UN Arab Human Development Reports (AHDR). AHDR concludes that there have been fewer books translated into Arabic in the last thousand years than the amount of books translated within the country of Spain every year.

It probably also explains, at least partly, why two-thirds of all immigrant school children with Arabic backgrounds are illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system, Sennels says.

BBC research recently aired showed 55 percent of Pakistanis in the United Kingdom are inbred, he says, adding that the Times of India reports British Pakistani children are 13 times more likely than the general population to have genetic recessive disorders.

Sennels says perinatal deaths, some of which are due to genetic disorders, and mental illnesses, such as depression, schizophrenia and insanity, are higher among consanguineous Muslim immigrants than the general populations.

A legislative ban on first cousin marriages is a logical and compassionate imperative for both the Muslim world, for EU and our Western national governments, he concludes.


If anyone tries to argue for a "legislative ban," a death fatwa will be issued by these inbreds right quick, I suspect.

There are, of course, a few book translated into arabic. Hitler's Mein Kampf is a best-seller there, second only to the Koran.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:19 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Finn and someone else jumped in immediately to defend Lameman - you know... his intention wasn't to lie, he was only kidding, etc. I went and found the accurate quote.


"Immediately?" Laughing You measured the span between time stamps?

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