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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 04:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oh, you man the witch hunt against the Clintons?

If the Democrats don't want people to defend themselves by giving them a dose of their own medicine, then they should stop conducting witch hunts against innocent people.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 04:27 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
they somehow dont see the analogy. Clinton is righteous vengeance, Trumpty's is a witch hunt.

When someone abuses the law to harm innocent people merely for disagreeing with them, that is a witch hunt.

When the victims of witch hunts conduct a counter witch hunt against the witch hunters, that is righteous vengeance.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 04:28 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Resident Plump's protestations about a "witch hunt" ring even more hollow to me, when I consider the fact that he built his whole political foray on a 4 year long witch hunt after the "true" origins of Obama.

I missed the part where there was a real effort to impeach President Obama over the birth certificate nonsense.
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ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 04:45 pm
@hightor,
This is new to me, since I have sent Finn to the time out closet, so I don't know what is going on with his health..

Finn, heart surgery? We are there with you. Hang in so we can get to argue later. We love you, you know, or at least some of us.
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 05:07 pm
@ossobucotemp,
The unfortunate news is that Finn didn't survive his heart surgery. I am taking up a collection on his behalf. PM me to receive instructions on how to get your donations to me--it's a little complicated and involves couriers, because we are only taking cash--minimum donation is $1,000.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 05:18 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

The APA is in the process of officially establishing a definition of, and identifying recognizable symptoms pertaining to, a new category of mental illness, eh, John?

It's called "leftism."


Damaged left frontal lobe??

Or just old fashioned drain bramage?
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 05:24 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I gotta say, those Caesar protesters need to get a grip. Watch the show and see what it is about. I haven't seen it, but according to those putting on the play, it about how far people go in politics and how they fall.

Quote:
Shakespeare actors and scholars told CBS News earlier this week that the protests fundamentally misunderstood the lesson of the play.

"The play doesn't condone violence," Shakespeare actor Joe Wegner told CBS News. "It actually is a story about what happens when an act like that is committed. And you watch these characters realize that. And then, in the end, everything falls."


CBS News

What is next, burning books because they suggest something somebody don't like?


Oh pluhleezze...it depicts a sitting president being brutally killed...if it was Obama being hanged you'd be squealing like a stuck pig with indignation.
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giujohn
 
  -4  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 05:29 pm
THIS JUST IN: FINN DID NOT SURVIVE HIS HEART TRANSPLANT...IT WAS FROM A LEFTIST, AND WAS REJECTED. TRUE BLUE TO THE END.
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 05:42 pm
Trump has a lot of options, eh?

Quote:
Trump or Congress can still block Robert Mueller. I know. I wrote the rules.

Neal Katyal  is the former acting solicitor general of the United States:

The special-counsel regulations under which Mueller was appointed were written precisely to address a situation like this one. I would know; I wrote them, in 1999.

Trump could order Mueller fired. Our Constitution gives the president the full prosecution power in Article II; accordingly, any federal prosecutor works ultimately for the president. That constitutional reality is not something we could write around with a regulation.

Second, Congress could muck up Mueller’s investigation. Oliver North, for instance, was criminally convicted by an independent counsel during Iran-contra. But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit threw out his conviction because Congress earlier gave him immunity for his testimony.

Third, the regulations permit Rosenstein, or his replacement, to define the scope and powers of the investigation. This stands as a reminder that Mueller operates as a subordinate to the Justice Department, not as Rosenstein’s equal.

These vulnerabilities mean that Mueller’s probe is not entirely free of the political process — it is not sacrosanct.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/

Them's just the breaks, eh, cheese-eaters?

Word is out that Trump is currently interviewing candidates to replace Rosenstein as Deputy AG. He's looking for one who aint no damn traitor, obviously.

layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:13 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Mend, Don’t End, Mueller’s Investigation

President Trump should not dismiss Mueller, but the Justice Department must revise the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

There’s law and there’s politics. When it comes to Robert Mueller, the special counsel appointed to conduct the so-called Russia investigation, the Justice Department did politics.

As elaborated on in this space before, Bob Mueller is as straight an arrow as they come; he is not right all of the time (is any of us?), but he is always ethical and patriotic....with Mueller calling the shots, I believe the Trump administration and the public will get fair treatment.

When the subject of reports about Mueller’s potential dismissal was raised, Rosenstein suggested that only he — not the president — has the power to fire Mueller, and only on a showing of good cause.

It is dismaying to have to keep pointing out to its top officials that law-enforcement — the Justice Department and the FBI, in particular — is not a separate, independent branch of government. Its officials are subordinate-delegates of the president. They do not have their own power; they exercise the president’s power at the president’s pleasure.

Nor can a federal regulation amend the Constitution, especially in a way that usurps the president’s power. The president gets to tell the DAG what to do.

Now, finally, to mending but not ending Mueller’s investigation. Rosenstein gave Mueller, which itself is a result of improperly appointing a special counsel to run a counterintelligence investigation. Trump mainly has himself to blame for his straits. The situation, however, can be corrected.

Rosenstein should issue a directive superseding his original appointment of Mueller in order to more tightly and appropriately define Mueller’s jurisdiction. The new directive should describe, in writing, the potential crimes that have been uncovered in the Russia investigation. If criminal conduct has been discovered, it should be spelled out. “Trump campaign collusion with Russia,” aside from being unsupported by any public evidence, is not a crime.

Mueller should never have been appointed, but the political blowback of relieving him at this juncture would be extremely damaging to Trump’s presidency. Mueller’s special-counsel investigation should proceed, but his jurisdiction should be sharply and narrowly redefined.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448639/robert-muellers-special-counsel-investigation-jurisdiction-should-be-limited

If Rosenstein doesn't want to do that, he can always resign, eh? Like his long-time bud, Comey, he's proved he's a prima donna who is inclined to try to usurp power which he doesn't have and certainly isn't entitled to. Ironically, that's the very reason he gave for firing Comey.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:29 pm
@layman,
You still do not get it, if trump does any of tbat he will immediatly be in a new firesgtorm for obstruction of jusrice which he will lose. And impeavc nhable offebssess are what the House says rhey are a d collusion is cllearly one.
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:37 pm
@MontereyJack,
You have no fuckin clue what "obstruction of justice" is, Jack, despite it having been spelled out in this thread ad nauseam. You would serve yourself better if you'd just refrain from such ill-informed commentary.

As Lincoln done said: "More better to keep your sorry mouth shut, and look like a damn fool, than to open that cheese disposal up and prove it.'
farmerman
 
  6  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You should be in rcovery by now and will read about how every one of us is wishing you a speedy and unremarkable recovery. No pressure, just good wishes
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:40 pm
@farmerman,
Make it five, eh, Finn? I don't count Jo, because she didn't actually read your post. She just heard the "news" second-hand.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:47 pm
@layman,
Ido know what o of j is it is not clear you do. And i kinda hope he does fire muellef because as commentators have said, it would be political suix8de
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:51 pm
@layman,
One point this article is making is that Rosenstein's appointment letter, written and announced without even consulting Trump, was very poorly drafted and it doesn't appear to even understand the role of a special prosecutor.

It looks like Trump has another "grandstander" on his hands here, eh?
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layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Ido know what o of j is it is not clear you do. And i kinda hope he does fire muellef because as commentators have said, it would be political suix8de


If you could read, you would know that the article you are responding to says he shouldn't fire Mueller.

Just curious, "Jack," if that is your real name: Do you, by some type of wild-ass coincidence, just happen to be of the female persuasion, eh?
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 06:53 pm
@layman,
Ii used that lincoln quote myself herea week or so ago about some trumpist doofus, my use of it made much better sense than yours.7
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 07:03 pm
@farmerman,
HeyFinn we allknow there are some things more important in life than politics, like life itself, right? So we"re pulling for you, recover and get back here soonest.
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Jun, 2017 07:06 pm
@MontereyJack,
Make it six, eh, Finn? All quite predictable, of course, ya big-ass troll, ya.

Finn made a post that anybody, and everybody, with a sense of humor would immediately know was a joke.

But having a sense of humor is something that cheese-eaters aint.
 

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