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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 05:54 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Exactly. Therefore there's no conflict of interest.

When an abusive prosecutor tries to bend the law to claim it is a supposed crime that his friend was fired, that's a conflict of interest.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 05:56 pm
https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19149164_1426745187392463_4686336928657522161_n.jpg?oh=46a727ed4553b26d00436432bdf8ec0b&oe=59CF6893
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 05:57 pm
The guy clearly wants Bork Obunga for one-world leader....

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gungasnake
 
  -4  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 05:59 pm
https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19092892_1181656215274041_3835254054053820757_o.jpg?oh=9d48e7bb6287b244e3d1ab2a53d05617&oe=59D4C8CB
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:14 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

If you haven't seen the video of Erdogan's security people kicking the crap out of protesters in Washington, watch it. Extremely brutal.
Here


14 arrested today
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:17 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
So, there ya have it then, eh? Mueller aint "truly independent." Just another one of Putin's lapdogs, ya know?


when you're right, you're right
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:27 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Mueller's employer has clearly exercised very poor judgement.


and who would that be?

Rosenstein who wrote the letter which set up Comey's dismissal
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/05/rod-rosenstein-trump-sessions/526281/

Rosenstein who appointed Mueller
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-rosenstein-no-reason-to-fire-1497365926-htmlstory.html

Rosenstein who is the only person who can fire Mueller

Rosenstein who was nominated by #45

__


Did #45 make a mistake selecting Rosenstein?

Did the Senate make a mistake confirming him?


Quote:
President Donald Trump nominated Rosenstein to serve as Deputy Attorney General for the United States Department of Justice on January 13, 2017. Rosenstein was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on April 25, 2017. In May 2017, he authored a memo which provided the basis for President Trump's decision to dismiss FBI Director James Comey.[5]

blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:46 pm
@ehBeth,
Warrants issued. I think only two resident in US arrested at this point.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:49 pm
@blatham,
CBC AIH interviewer must have got it wrong. They interviewed one of the women from Toronto who was injured - about one of the guys arrested (or so they said). One of those weird six degrees things in the local immigrant community.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 06:55 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
and who would that be?

I was thinking of Rosenstein exercising poor judgement. But it's a good point that hiring Rosenstein was a mistake in itself.

Most of the focus on the possibility of firing Mueller has focused on a method that also involves firing Rosenstein.

I've been focused on an alternate method that just involves abolishing the entire Office of Independent Council with an executive order. But there is something to be said for getting rid of both Rosenstein and Mueller.

A president needs subordinates who aren't traitors.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:11 pm
@oralloy,
As convincingly demonstrated by the law professor USA Today cited, Moeller has to, at a minimun, recuse himself from any aspect of any investigation relating to the Comey firing and/or any other claims about "obstruction of justice" emanating from Comey.

If he doesn't then, as also noted by the law professor, he should be fired "for cause." Lawyers and people who comprehend them would know this, but the average guy wouldn't understand it, probably.

If Rosenstein has to fire his ass, because he improperly refuse to recuse himself/resign, then the "obstruction of justice" screams from the left will get even louder, however irrational and unjustified they would be.

It would be even worse (for Trump) if Rosenstein improperly refuses to fire him. Then Trump would have to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a Deputy AG who was willing to follow the law. But then the feigned OUTRAGE of the left would be even more unrelenting. Talk about Nixon and watergate would NEVER cease from that quarter.

Trump is doing the smart thing by letting it be, for now, at least. If Moeller goes crazy trying to frame Trump to "exonerate" and vindicate his pal Comey, then he will HAVE to act, but the political fallout will be terrible.

P.S. There appear to be OTHER reasons to fire Moeller for cause too. He, and those he hires to help him, is required to maintain secrecy. But his carefully hand-picked team has only been on job a few days, and supposedly FIVE of his henchmen have ALREADY made leaks to the press. That's incompetence, if nothing else.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:19 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
It would be even worse (for Trump) if Rosenstein improperly refuses to fire him. Then Trump would have to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a Deputy AG who was willing to follow the law. But then the feigned OUTRAGE of the left would be even more unrelenting. Talk about Nixon and watergate would NEVER cease from that quarter.

Who cares what Democrats say? Just ignore them. Or make fun of them for awhile and then ignore them when that gets boring.

Or incarcerate them where people won't have to hear the noise they make.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:22 pm
@oralloy,
Well, I agree, but the problem is that these phony-ass cheese-eaters will likely end up having an effect on the "average guy" even if he is not a natural-born cheese-eater.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:36 pm
@layman,
Have people counter all the Democrats lies by telling the truth.

Another option Trump could do is to pardon everyone as soon as Mueller charges them.
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:42 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Have people counter all the Democrats lies by telling the truth.

Another option Trump could do is to pardon everyone as soon as Mueller charges them.


Too many chumps in the world to rely on revealing "the truth" to them.

Well, Trump doesn't really need to pardon anybody like Flynn (although he can).

Can he pardon himself? Good question, I guess. I suppose he can be "charged with" a crime, while President, but he can't be tried or convicted while a sitting President. But, assuming he could, and did, the political consequences would be terrible. There's no real "easy" fix to this bogus crap.
layman
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:54 pm
Quote:
Police: Shots Fired at Truck Flying 'Make America Great Again' Flag

Several shots were fired at a truck flying a “Make America Great Again” flag and an American flag on a highway in Indianapolis on Tuesday.

Indiana State Police said a Chevrolet Malibu with Louisiana license plates pulled up next to a blue 2001 Dodge pickup truck along I-465, and a male passenger pointed a handgun out the window and fired several shots at the truck.

The incident occurred just one day before a gunman opened fire on Republican lawmakers practicing for the annual Congressional Baseball game.

The driver of the Malibu was described as a black male around the age of 23. The passenger was described as a light-skinned black male with a sleeve tattoo on his right arm.


Louisiana plates!? I think I might know those brothers. Straight-up losers, sho nuff.

Best be packin everywhere ya go, these days.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:05 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Well, Trump doesn't really need to pardon anybody like Flynn (although he can).

Trump cares that Flynn is being persecuted. Pardoning Flynn would end the persecution.

In fact, if I were Trump I'd immediately pardon myself and any other friend/family/member of the administration who was a potential target, without even waiting to see what charges Mueller brings.

Then Trump could leave Mueller in place to investigate whatever he wants. The witch hunt would be over just like that.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:13 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Can he pardon himself? Good question, I guess. I suppose he can be "charged with" a crime, while President, but he can't be tried or convicted while a sitting President. But, assuming he could, and did, the political consequences would be terrible. There's no real "easy" fix to this bogus crap.

I don't think the political consequences would be that bad at all.

I presume the Supreme Court will have to decide if a president can pardon himself, but I think it'll be an easy decision that yes he can.
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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:16 pm
@oralloy,
Well, my basic point here has been that this is a hot mess with no easy solution. The responses you make all seem to assume that there are a great many ways to completely resolve the problems in very simple fashion.

I guess we just disagree.
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:24 pm
@oralloy,
dream on. It would be instant and compelling evidence of obstruction of justice, and would ignite a bipartisan firestorm of condemnation lfar behyopnd the present growing groundswell of condemnation.. He should tryk it. It would be the last stupid mistake he would make in office.
 

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