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Blickers
 
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Mon 12 Jun, 2017 12:49 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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How about offering an Intern a govt job in exchange for not telling about BJ's?

So who did that? Certainly not Bill. Get your story straight.
revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:05 pm
@Blickers,
Selective memory problems I am guessing. From some reason, what sticks out in my mind, what convinced me she wasn't taken advantage of, was Monica Lewinsky admitting she flashed Bill Clinton her thong straps.

Narrative Pt. II: Initial Sexual Encounters
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ehBeth
 
  4  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:07 pm
another no on the travel ban

#45's tweets came into play

he produces the most amazing, best, extraordinary evidence

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-travel-ban-monday-1.4156883
farmerman
 
  7  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:08 pm
@oralloy,
Obviously you have no factual information bout McCain and his capture than the crap you suck up from our "Liar -in-Chief" Trump.

A historical account of John McCain's capture

McCain's plane went into a vertical inverted spin.[111] McCain bailed out upside down at high speed;[112] the force of the ejection fractured his right arm in three places, his left arm, and his right leg at the knee, and knocked him unconscious.[112][113] McCain nearly drowned after parachuting into Trúc Bạch Lake in Hanoi; the weight of his equipment was pulling him down, and as he regained consciousness, he could not use his arms.[106] Eventually, he was able to inflate his life vest using his teeth.[106] Several Vietnamese, possibly led by Department of Industry clerk Mai Van On, pulled him ashore.[114] A mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped him of his clothes; his left shoulder was crushed with the butt of a rifle and he was bayoneted in his left foot and abdominal area.[106][112][113] He was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton" by American POWs.[115]

McCain reached Hỏa Lò in as bad a physical condition as any prisoner during the war.[115] His captors refused to give him medical care unless he gave them military information; they beat and interrogated him, but McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth[116][117] (the only information he was required to provide under the Geneva Conventions and permitted to give under the U.S. Code of Conduct).[105] Soon thinking he was near death, McCain said he would give them more information if taken to the hospital,[116] hoping he could then put his interrogators off once he was treated.[118] A prison doctor came and said it was too late, as McCain was about to die anyway.[116] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a high-ranking admiral did they give him medical care,[116] calling him "the crown prince".[115] Two days after McCain's plane went down, that event and his status as a POW made the front pages of The New York Times[92] and The Washington Post.[119] Interrogation and beatings resumed in the hospital; McCain gave the North Vietnamese his ship's name, squadron's name, and the attack's intended target.[120] This information, along with personal details of McCain's life and purported statements by McCain about the war's progress, would appear over the next two weeks in the North Vietnamese official newspaper Nhân Dân[105] as well as in dispatches from outlets such as the Cuban news agency Prensa Latina.[121] Disclosing the military information was in violation of the Code of Conduct, which McCain later wrote he regretted, although he saw the information as being of no practical use to the North Vietnamese.[122] Further coerced to give future targets, he named cities that had already been bombed, and responding to demands for the names of his squadron's members, he supplied instead the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line.[120][123]

flight suit hanging in a display case
Decades later, McCain's flight suit and gear were put on display at a museum in the remaining portion of Hỏa Lò Prison.
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital,[103] receiving marginal care in a dirty, wet environment.[124] A prolonged attempt to set the fractures on his right arm, done without anesthetic, was unsuccessful;[125] he received an operation on his broken leg but no treatment for his broken left arm.[126] He was temporarily taken to a clean room and interviewed by a French journalist, François Chalais, whose report was carried on the French television program Panorama in January 1968[127] and later in the U.S. on the CBS Evening News.[128] The film footage of McCain lying in the bed, in a cast, smoking cigarettes and speaking haltingly,[129] would become one of the most widely distributed images of McCain's imprisonment.[127] McCain was observed by a variety of North Vietnamese, including renowned Vietnamese writer Nguyễn Tuân and Defense Minister and Army commander-in-chief General Võ Nguyên Giáp.[105][130] Many of the North Vietnamese observers assumed that McCain must be part of America's political-military-economic elite.[131] Now having lost fifty pounds (twenty-three kilograms), in a chest cast, covered in grime and eyes full of fever, and with his hair turned white,[103] in early December 1967 McCain was sent to a prisoner-of-war camp on the outskirts of Hanoi nicknamed "the Plantation".[105][132] He was placed in a cell with George "Bud" Day, a badly injured and tortured Air Force pilot (later awarded the Medal of Honor) and Norris Overly, another Air Force pilot; they did not expect McCain to live another week.[133][134] Overly, and subsequently Day, nursed McCain and kept him alive;[134] Day later recalled that McCain had "a fantastic will to live".[135]


In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he remained for two years
snood
 
  5  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:09 pm
@ehBeth,
This SCOTUS (if they end up getting the case) will probably rule in Cheetolini's favor, don'tcha think?
farmerman
 
  5  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:10 pm
@ehBeth,
Trump is just mad -dog- bat-**** nuts with a huge ego and a super- overinflated sense of his own abilities .
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:11 pm
@ehBeth,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dc-and-maryland-to-sue-president-trump-alleging-breach-of-constitutional-oath/ar-BBCx55U

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40250700
Quote:

Officials in Maryland and Washington DC are suing Donald Trump for accepting payments from foreign governments via his business empire.
The lawsuit cites the US constitution's emoluments clause, which says no federal official should receive a gift or a fee from a foreign government.
The suit - which is the first of its kind filed by government entities - claims Mr Trump is "flagrantly violating the constitution".

Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:31 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
No. I reject the premise that this is an existing standard of impeachment.

According to the Constitution, a High Crime or Misdemeanor is whatever the House and Senate at the time thinks it is in regards to removing a President from office. After that removal, there is no punishment-the former President would need to be tried and convicted by the court system for any punishment to occur.

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
Trump has committed no crime. There is no need to try him.

Many would disagree. However, for Trump to be impeached and convicted, the House and the Senate decide what High Crimes and Misdemeanors have been proven-once the President has been removed, then the Courts can decide if what the President did was a crime. It is quite possible the Court can disagree with Congress and decide the former President committed no crime, in which case he remains a free man. He doesn't get his job back, though.

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
The fact that Trump has committed no crime is entirely relevant.

Not during impeachment and conviction proceedings it's not. The House and Senate decide if the President is guilty of High Crimes or Misdemeanors according to their understanding of the terms, and if they think he has, the President is out on his ass.

The only thing the courts can decide is if an ex-President goes to jail or not-he's still an ex-President either way.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:45 pm
@Blickers,
Are you implying that Congress gets to make up what High Crimes and Misdemeanors means and kick a President out of office?
ehBeth
 
  3  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:50 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
High crimes and misdemeanors is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

"High" in the legal and common parlance of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries of "high crimes" signifies activity by or against those who have special duties acquired by taking an oath of office that are not shared with common persons.[1]

A high crime is one that can only be done by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice. The phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" when used together was a common phrase at the time the U.S. Constitution was written and did not mean any stringent or difficult criteria for determining guilt. It meant the opposite. The phrase was historically used to cover a very broad range of crimes.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:53 pm
@ehBeth,
So in essence, they can make it up as they go along...
ehBeth
 
  3  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:55 pm
@Baldimo,
That's pretty much what I was taught way back when. The high part means who did it, not how serious it is/was.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:59 pm
@Baldimo,
Yes and he's right.

The Founders, weren't perfect.

They imagined a time when a president might be a tyrant without clear and convincing evidence of violating any law and they wanted Congressional patriots to be able to rid our government of such a tyrant.

As much as they understood human nature and the possible venality of politicians, I don't think they imagined a Congress taking advantage of the wiggle room they've been provided to stage a coup for partisan reasons alone.

I'm not saying this is what Democrats have planned. First of all they don't have the votes to do so, and even if they did, I have confidence (perhaps misplaced) that there enough serious patriots among them (particularly in the Senate) to not attempt such a coup if there is no real evidence or "High Crimes & Misdemeanors"

If I'm wrong they will destroy the Union.
hightor
 
  6  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 02:19 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
According to the Constitution, a High Crime or Misdemeanor is whatever the House and Senate at the time thinks it is in regards to removing a President from office.

I've tried to explain the purely political nature of the impeachment process to oralloy several times over the last few days, to no avail.
 

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