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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:45 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

He's a loner, a social pariah. A bitter, disillusioned, disenfranchised, treasonous American citizen who relishes in sowing the seeds of dissent in a ridiculous effort to ease his tortured, troubled soul. He should be pitied and ignored.


In short, he'a a punk-ass bitch, eh, John?
revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:45 am
Quote:
Trump jumps into worsening dispute between Qatar and powerful bloc of Arab countries

President Trump jumped headlong Tuesday into a fast-worsening dispute between Qatar and a powerful bloc of Arab countries led by Saudi Arabia, posting Twitter messages congratulating the Saudis for cracking down on the neighboring kingdom and himself for sparking the breach over alleged Qatari funding for terrorism.

“During my recent trip to the Middle East, I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology,” Trump said in a series of morning tweets. “Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!

“So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off,” he tweeted. “They said they would take a hard line on funding extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar.”
Trump’s intervention came as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, speaking in New Zealand, took a somewhat different tack, noting that “all” countries in the Persian Gulf “have work to do” in ending their support for extremism, and encouraging them to “resolve this through dialogue.”

The regional crisis began on Monday, when Qatar’s Persian Gulf neighbors — Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Bahrain — were joined by Egypt and smaller nations in severing diplomatic ties with Qatar, claiming it supports terrorists across the region. The eruption of the dispute shocked the neighborhood, and has threatened the deeply intertwined regional trade links and air routes.

The Pentagon, whose air operations for the Middle East are headquartered at a massive air base in Qatar, where at least 10,000 U.S. service members are stationed, also opted for balance and calming words. “We recognize that there are differing views in the region that have gotten us to this point,” it said in a statement. “United States and the Coalition are grateful to the Qataris for their longstanding support of our presence and their enduring commitment to regional security. We have no plans to change our posture in Qatar.”

The statement said that restrictions its Persian Gulf neighbors have imposed on Qatari movements in and out of the region “have not impacted our air operations,” including missions in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. “U.S. Central Command is conducting appropriate planning to ensure that the full range of U.S. military operations in the Middle East can continue,” it said.

A senior White House official said Trump’s tweets did not indicate any change in policy or new information. “I think this actually shows the influence [Trump’s] trip had to isolate those who fund terrorism in the region,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive diplomatic issue.

At the State Department, an official said in an email that “the tweets are not incompatible. For example, we recognize that Qatar continues to make efforts to stop the financing of terrorist groups … That said, while they have made progress, they (and we) recognize more work needs to be done.”

“A strong, united front among our key partners is the best way to overcome our shared challenges,” this official said, also speaking only on condition of anonymity.

During his visit last month to Saudi Arabia, where he delivered a speech to dozens of leaders from Muslim-majority nations gathered for the occasion, Trump met personally with Qatar’s Emir Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad al-Thani. “We are friends, we’ve been friends now for a long time … our relationship is extremely good,” Trump said at the beginning of the closed-door meeting. “One of the things we will discuss is the [Qatari] purchase of lots of beautiful military equipment … It’s an honor to be with you.”

Trump used the Riyadh visit to urge Arab states to wage wider crack downs on militant groups, including funding channels. But his strong message of support to Saudi leaders, in particular, also may have encouraged Riyadh to act on a long-standing feud with Qatar.

Tillerson, traveling Monday in Australia with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, moved quickly to try to close the regional fissure with comments that he added to on Tuesday.

“I think every country in the region has their own obligations they need to live up to,” Tillerson said in New Zealand, “and they have their own challenges to live up to that commitment to terminate support for terrorism, extremism, however it manifests itself anywhere in the world. And I wold say that’s true of all the GCC countries; they have their own work to do in that regard.”

The GCC is the Gulf Cooperation Council, whose six members — Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar — signed a communique with Trump pledging to continue their joint fight against terrorism. The visit also culminated in what the administration said was $110 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Trump has repeatedly praised Saudi King Salman as the “wise” leader of the region, and indicated he considers the Saudis the leaders of the Sunni Muslim world.


WP
snood
 
  3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:51 am
Hey how do you guys do those neat C&Ps with the article surrounded by the dotted square?
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:57 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
The GCC is the Gulf Cooperation Council, whose six members — Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar — signed a communique with Trump pledging to continue their joint fight against terrorism.


Thanks for the informative post. I wasn't aware of that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:57 am
@hightor,
Seems like a tactician more than a strategist
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revelette1
 
  4  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:58 am
@snood,
Hey, is that sarcasm?

The reason I posted the article (and put it in quotes)was there were a few points I noted and wanted to see if anyone else did. One was Trump also talked to Qatar during his trip so not sure what he is congratulating himself about and another how much time his aides and administration has spend time on correcting him. Also, saying the leader of Saudi Arabia is a wise ruler with their human rights record....

HRW Saudi Arabia 2017


layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 11:58 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Hey how do you guys do those neat C&Ps with the article surrounded by the dotted square?


Put"["quote"] before, and "[/quote]" after it. Or you can "select" it and then punch the "quote" tab, I think.

If you want to attribute it, you can put quote=____, like this:

Chomsky wrote:
I hate America, even more than I do myself.
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gungasnake
 
  -4  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:04 pm
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history
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McGentrix
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:05 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Would you name some news sources you consider reputable and reliable?


No, I doubt the " a highly classified National Security Agency report " part. If it got out, it probably wasn't actually a highly classified National Security Agency report.


Do you think there would have been an arrest if the information wasn't classified?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/politics/federal-contractor-leak-prosecution/index.html


"highly classified" though? I'd say more like Hillary classified levels. "highly classified" implies Secret or Top Secret level and I doubt the report reached that level. Good she got arrested though. Hope her parents are proud.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:05 pm
@revelette1,
It wasn't sarcasm. I wanted to know how to do it so I could use it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

This assertion is based on a polling question whether respondents have "sympathy with young Muslims who leave to UK to join fighters in Syria".
Respondents (1,000) were allowed to say whether they had "a lot", "some" or "no" sympathy with such people travelling to Syria.

Besides the questions what "sympathy" means for whom or why there's nothing besides 'a lot/some/no' ... besides that, the same poll question, asked for Sky News in the same year (2015) to all UK residents, found that 14 per cent of the general population had some "sympathy" for young Muslims leaving to fight in Syria.




How do you know this to be the case? The poll cited seems to have asked specific questions and not extrapolated from the broad results you cite.
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:08 pm
@snood,
I call him liverlips, which is pretty mean; I just can't help it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:08 pm
@maporsche,
That may have been a worthless poll but it is by no means clear that it is the same poll cited by layman.
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giujohn
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:08 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

giujohn wrote:

He's a loner, a social pariah. A bitter, disillusioned, disenfranchised, treasonous American citizen who relishes in sowing the seeds of dissent in a ridiculous effort to ease his tortured, troubled soul. He should be pitied and ignored.


In short, he'a a punk-ass bitch, eh, John?


Let's just say he has a questionable
mental health profile.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:10 pm
@layman,
It should be fairly clear that Morlock has been damaged by some unusually bad experience with Europeans or white people or something like that. I wouldn't take anything coming from him very seriously...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5X0fwIBJYpk/V13OZ5SLErI/AAAAAAAAEfw/mqy8YN1O3iM_IKLNmsWVZmMgVCxSZaTQACKgB/s1600/3.jpg
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:11 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

How do you know this to be the case? The poll cited seems to have asked specific questions and not extrapolated from the broad results you cite.


It's the same poll, Finn, and he knows it. He's just lying. The poll ALSO asked if they had "sympathy' for terrorist killers. Many said they did.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1080#post-6439906

But what else would you expect, other than lies and distortions, from these cheese-eating apologists for the accomplices of muslim terrorism, eh?
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maporsche
 
  6  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:13 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

maporsche wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Would you name some news sources you consider reputable and reliable?


No, I doubt the " a highly classified National Security Agency report " part. If it got out, it probably wasn't actually a highly classified National Security Agency report.


Do you think there would have been an arrest if the information wasn't classified?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/politics/federal-contractor-leak-prosecution/index.html


"highly classified" though? I'd say more like Hillary classified levels. "highly classified" implies Secret or Top Secret level and I doubt the report reached that level. Good she got arrested though. Hope her parents are proud.


Here's the actual document...labeled 'Top Secret'

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:14 pm
@revelette1,
The Brits have 500 open investigations involving 3,000 people with 20,000 + on their Watch List. They would need a police force triple it's current size to stay on top of so many villains.

I believe as well that the man in charge of the police force has stated that they are not under resourced, however he may be a political appointee, I don't know.

If there were 2,000 more Bobbies on the streets of London, the attacks would still have happened and been successful.

The biggest problem is that London is filthy with jihadists.

camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:15 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Point? Besides the endlessly made accusation that all Americans are by association hypocritical corrupt murderous liars, what point?


You don't even possess the honesty necessary to address me directly.

Only those who support it, Snood, support being not demanding the war crimes and terrorism stop. Good dog, man, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, ... .
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