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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:19 pm
and this has no precedent in my lifetime if ever
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Republicans should realize they have a problem, President Barack Obama said over and over on Friday, when they’re agreeing with the Kremlin so much.

That they don’t, shows him just how broken American politics has become, and how vulnerable the country has become after Republicans spent years demonizing him and fellow Democrats and gumming up the government.

It’s not only a vulnerability to foreign powers, according to Obama. There’s now a real risk of America abandoning the ideals and values that have bound the country together for 240 years.

Everyone should be scared about what that means and where it leads, he said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/obama-trump-america-future-232771

For an outgoing president to level such warnings about the incoming president and his team and emerging policies is nothing I've seen before. Nothing close, really. And that's echoed by the nations' major news outlets and by political scientists and independent political commentators as well.

This isn't a matter of partisan allegiance nor ideological rigidity. If that were so, we'd have seen something like this following each election but we haven't. This is about the possible destruction of countless norms and institutions stemming from Trump and the extremists in the team he's placing around him.
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tony5732
 
  0  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:21 pm
@blatham,
I actually buy into this. I do see how Russia might have pulled a political stunt by exposing Clinton, therefore helping Trump. But I don't see how it matters. It would be as if your dad shot a guy and raped a girl, and another guy told on him to get in your mother's pants.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:26 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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How about a list of 36?

I think there's no better nor more objective sourcing than the Trump campaign.


Remember that time when I said "then the source gets discussed instead of the material"? That's what you are doing. Each one is discussed in detail with attributed facts.

Poo-poo the source when you can't deny the facts... tsk.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:27 pm
Information control. It is what authoritarian regimes always get up to.
Quote:
Donald Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair Broadcast Group during the campaign to try and secure better media coverage, his son-in-law Jared Kushner told business executives Friday in Manhattan.

Kushner said the agreement with Sinclair, which owns television stations across the country in many swing states and often packages news for their affiliates to run, gave them more access to Trump and the campaign, according to six people who heard his remarks.

In exchange, Sinclair would broadcast their Trump interviews across the country without commentary
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-campaign-sinclair-broadcasting-jared-kushner-232764

And there's this tidbit
Quote:
Kushner, dressed in a suit and sneakers, told the business executives that the campaign was upset with CNN because they considered its on-air panels stacked against Trump. He added that he personally talked with Jeff Zucker about changing the composition of the panels but Zucker refused. He repeatedly said in the panel that CNN wasn't "moving the needle" and wasn't important as it once was, according to three of the people present.
Having Corey Lewandowski planted as a regular at CNN (along with a daily flow of pro-Trump voices) wasn't good enough.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:32 pm
@McGentrix,
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Remember that time when I said "then the source gets discussed instead of the material"? That's what you are doing. Each one is discussed in detail with attributed facts.

Poo-poo the source when you can't deny the facts... tsk.

Do you really think I'd pop in such a list published by the Clinton campaign? I've never done it. Do you imagine you'd consider it 'factual' if I had? Obviously, sources are important.
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:35 pm
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North Carolina governor signs laws restricting successor's power
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/pat-mcrory-law-restrict-roy-cooper-power-232758
Well of course he did. He's just one among a group of very disgusting and deeply anti-democratic people at the top of the GOP in that state.

Quote:
The North Carolina GOP’s legislative coup takes partisan politics to a whole other level.As the transition from incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory to his successor Democrat Roy Cooper reached its final stages, GOP state legislators, who hold a massive majority in both chambers, voted on Friday to curb the authority of the executive office and cut more than 1,000 of his employees. The incoming governor will no longer have control over election boards, appointments to his own cabinet (at least not without approval from the state Senate), or the board of trustees of the University of North Carolina.

This is not simply a rebuke of Cooper, who promised to upend some of the socially conservative policies McCrory has pursued, but also of the 2.3 million North Carolinians who voted for him. Republicans have ignored the will of those voters, launching an unprecedented assault on democratic institutions and de-legitimizing the electoral process, all in the name of protecting McCrory’s legacy and their power.
link
McGentrix
 
  0  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:35 pm
@blatham,
You want the same list from some other sources? Does it matter if what the list says is true? I said she lied more than the 7 that your link said, you said to show you, I show you and now my source is bad?

Pft. This isn't school and I am not being graded. Deal with the material or I will just not post links.
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:40 pm
@McGentrix,
Do whatever you wish, McG. but I'm not even going to wade in past the title with sourcing like that. D-
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:47 pm
Here's more from Ed Kilgore at NY Mag on North Carolina
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In an act that falls somewhere between ruthlessness and hubris, North Carolina Republicans are in the process of executing what critics are calling a “power grab” by exploiting a special legislative session supposedly called to work on disaster relief to pass legislation significantly diminishing the powers of incoming Democratic governor Roy Cooper. Outgoing governor Pat McCrory, whom Cooper defeated on November 8 (an outcome bitterly contested by McCrory for nearly a month), is signing bills as quickly as the legislators can pass them.

The package, if fully, enacted would reduce the power of the governor’s party over state and county election boards (in a state where election laws and their administration have been used as a sharp party weapon by Republicans); require state senate confirmation of the governor’s cabinet appointments; make certain nonpartisan judicial positions partisan; and greatly reduce the number of state agency employees who serve at the pleasure of the governor. This last provision is more than a bit ironic given the GOP’s usual hostility to rules protecting “career bureaucrats.”
dangnab them bureaucrats!
And let's not forget (details posted earlier) that when the Republicans gained power, they moved in exactly the opposite direction - that is, to grant the new GOP governor more power.

No, this stuff really is not normal.
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tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:49 pm
@blatham,
Oh God! Can you tell me how many news networks claimed Hillary had it in a landslide and how many were not disappointed when Trump won? I want sources. Then let's talk about information control on that one, and why almost no news networks had the correct information about which candidate PEOPLE wanted in each state. I can't tell you how many times I heard "misogynist". Did you see the debates? Information control and authoritarian regimes! Pah!
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:53 pm
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The Scariest Thing About Trump’s Presidency So Far Is Michael Flynn and His Team of Nutters

The most frightening aspect of the looming Donald Trump presidency is not so much the likely outcomes, many of which are horrifying, as the unlikely ones. Running the federal government of the world’s most powerful country is hard, and many things can go wrong. Full control of government is about to pass into the hands of a party that, when it last had it, left the economy and the world in a shambles. These disasters occurred because the party’s ideological extremism made it unequipped to make pragmatic choices, and because its chief executive was a mental lightweight. Sixteen years after it last came to power, the party has grown far more ideologically extreme, and its head of state is much less competent. Many of the tail risks of an extremist party led by an unqualified president are difficult to foresee in advance. But one is especially glaring: the appointment of Michael Flynn to be national security adviser.
link

But what the heck. He's now scrubbed his twitter record to erase that Pizzagate/Clinton killing babies thing so perhaps it's all ok. I wouldn't worry.
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tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:54 pm
@blatham,
Wait a second, it's a big thread, you start changing subject when you get called out, and you can copy paste pretty damn good. And your liberal. Could it be? BOBSAL?!?! BOBSAL!!
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:58 pm
@tony5732,
Not sure if you know these names. Bill Kristol held that Clinton would win the election, perhaps close, but a certain win. Steve Schmidt believed Clinton would win 350 in the EC. Pretty much everyone, Dem or Repub, believed Clinton would win. Very few exceptions. The National Review put out a special edition with 20 or so conservative voices included who argued not merely that Trump was unfit for the office but that he would get clobbered in the election. Press and polling sources were in accord with those opinions, though obviously wrong.
InfraBlue
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:59 pm
@Frugal1,
That doesn't show the numbers of extra votes going to Democrats from illegal aliens that you're claiming.

Where are the numbers?
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:06 pm
David Remnik on the appointment of Friedman. He gets to that later on in this piece but I'll post the first three graphs. Read if you like, don't if you don't. Remnik is Jewish.
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Every morning since November 9th, you wake up and read the news and think, This has got to be an issue of The Onion. Because, while so much of the media, in ways subtle and broad, attempts to normalize the Trump ascendancy, while we are told that patriotism demands that we accept Trump and “give him a chance,” the President-elect acts in ways that leave even dystopian satire behind. His behavior has little to do with conservatism or libertarianism or populism; his mode is recklessness, a self-admiring belief that unpredictability is the path to national salvation.

And so every day brings at least one fresh outrage: the appointment of a national-security adviser whose temperament resembles those of the unhinged generals in “Dr. Strangelove”; a keeper of the environment who denies the science of climate change; a chief strategist and senior counselor who ran a Web site laced with racist poison and bogus “news”; an Attorney General who regards the Voting Rights Act as “intrusive” and once referred to a subordinate as “boy.”

It seems almost sadistic to go on. It’s the holiday season, after all. Suffice it to say that the appointments, contrary to Trump’s vow to “drain the swamp,” comprise a reinvention of the swamp, a new, improved version of the swamp, in which the super-wealthy and the oil and gas industries are vested with singular authority. All of this is set against a background of brewing scandals, myriad conflicts of interest, the gleeful humiliation of longstanding foes, and a President-elect who refuses to show even a measure of curiosity about the possibility that Russian intelligence agencies meddled in a national election.
New Yorker
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tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:07 pm
@blatham,
Thank you! I won't put you on my ignore list either blath.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:09 pm
@tony5732,
Not sure what you are thanking me for. Are you?
tony5732
 
  0  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:11 pm
@tony5732,
I don't even ignore people, but theoretically, if I did, you wouldn't be on the list of people I ignore.
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tony5732
 
  0  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:13 pm
@blatham,
Absolutely. The authoritarian information control regime was obviously not with trump about two months ago....
Frugal1
 
  0  
Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
It's not the numbers, it's the fact the little prick encouraged illegals to commit another illegal act - for him
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