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giujohn
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 06:42 pm
@MontereyJack,
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:33 pm
@tony5732,
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Well, let's start with the easy stuff. James Comey's review of the e-mail investigation. His statements of what the FBI found as fact where different than what Hillary Clinton stated was fact, and it was found that Hillary Clinton was mishandling information deemed as classified. That sounds like she was being pretty incompetent to me,

The functions of S of S are rather broader than an email system. That's kind of like saying, after looking back at your father's role and duties, that he was incompetent as a father if he once lost a letter.

And again, you'd have to be consistent. Are you prepared to label the activities and efforts of the Pentagon incompetent merely because the Joint Chiefs' email was hacked (which we now know it was in Aug 2015)?
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:35 pm
@McGentrix,
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Did you just post that Hillary only had 7 serious lies during the campaign? She had that during her interrogation about her emails. Maybe you should see to some more honest sources.

Please link a better source than the one I linked.
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:47 pm
@georgeob1,
Leaving aside the "academic pipsqueaks" (are they cooler in your eyes if they have big hairy chests, smoke ceegars and backhand their wives when needed?)
Quote:
[the media] and the White House Press Corps, has no statutory right to interpose itself between our government and the voters, and no harm is necessarily done in going around them.

Not at all sure what you think the role of the press and the First Amendment ought to be, george.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
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tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:55 pm
@blatham,
OK. Here is the Obama/ riot discussion I promised.

Here is Obama, defending the message of Black Lives Matter

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2HQbScS43c

The source is a YouTube video from the associated press. Now this isn't a bad thing, yet. He has not done anything but state his opinion about why he thinks the message is real and what his interpretation of the BLM message. It is important to note many riots we talked about earlier spawn at Black Lives Matter protests, or at least the ones since 2014

OK. Here is a story from the Washington times about Obama and his comments about black lives matter....... During a police memorial.... For 5 white cops who died during a black lives matter protest....... Because they were white.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-defends-black-lives-matter-protests-police-m/

And here's the fox story

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/obama-defends-black-lives-matter-protests-police-memorial-dallas

And the statements can also be found at CNN

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/12/politics/dallas-shooting-obama-george-w-bush/index.html

Now this was at a memorial for 5 dead police officers. The officers were watching over a black lives matter protest. I think it's not only bad taste but horrible HORRIBLE timing.

If you would call this a plan to end the rioting it was an extremely ineffective tactic. There was a RIOT the very next month. Then there was ANOTHER riot the month after that. He spoke at the memorial in July 2016 you can check out the Wikipedia link I already gave you for the dates of the next two riots.

Now this is my opinion, the source is me. Obama gave 0 craps about the riots, because many of the riots since 2014 spawned from BLM protests. That's what he chose to talk about and defend at the dead police officers memorial.

Here's what Obama said about the victims of the riots.















I'll let you fill in this blank.

georgeob1
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:59 pm
@tony5732,
This is all pretty common knowledge. Blatham is just putting you through hoops he normally avoids himself, in order to maintain control of the dialogue. Ask him to research and offer rewl proofs (not the distilled opinions of others) of his assertions of fact.
tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:19 pm
@georgeob1,
Well the hoop got jumped. No problem, I don't mind it at all. Waiting for response.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:31 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Did you just post that Hillary only had 7 serious lies during the campaign? She had that during her interrogation about her emails. Maybe you should see to some more honest sources.

Please link a better source than the one I linked.


How about a list of 36?

Lie #1: Clinton publicly blamed a YouTube video for the Benghazi terrorist attack, while privately acknowledging that it “had nothing to do with the film”
Lie #2: Clinton has publicly touted the Russian “reset” while privately admitting it was a failure
Lie #3: Clinton has tried to rewrite the history of her policy towards Syria
Lie #4: Clinton is “uncredible” when it comes to Bashar al-Assad
Lie #5: Clinton falsely claimed that emails from Sidney Blumenthal were “unsolicited,” when in fact, Clinton treated him as a secret, off-the-books adviser
Lie #6: Clinton tried to downplay and mislead about her vote to authorize the war in Iraq
Lie #7: Clinton admitted she voted against the Iraq surge purely for political reasons
Lie #8: Clinton’s attitude towards outsourcing depends on who is listening
Lie #9: beyond just her conflicting rhetoric, Clinton contributed to the outsourcing of American jobs herself
Lie #10: Clinton has sharply criticized supreme court campaign finance rulings but is actively using them to raise tens of millions of dollars
Lie #11: Clinton’s super Pac hypocrisy
Lie #12: Clinton’s past rhetoric on public campaign financing reform never reconciled with her record in the senate
Lie #13: Clinton has been called out for creating an “absurd” claim about her opposition to middle-class taxes
Lie #14: Clinton has introduced a new plan for the estate tax which closes “loopholes,” but doesn’t address the one her family is exploiting
Lie #15: Clinton broke bill’s pledge about not using a “broad-based” tax hike to pay for “Hillary care”
Lie #16: Clinton was for fracking before she was against it
Lie #17: Clinton has ignored her past support of offshore drilling in the arctic to bolster her environmental credentials
Lie #18: as a candidate, Clinton says opposes new drilling off America’s shores, but as secretary of state her actions supported new drilling
Lie #19: Clinton takes different positions on questioning judicial nominees
Lie #20: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on the matter of number of devices she used
Lie #21: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on turning over all of her work related email
Lie #22: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on transmitting classified information at the time of sending or receiving
Lie #23: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on the matter of whether there was marked classified material on her server
Lie #24: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on the matter of her secret server being vulnerable to hackers
Lie #25: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on the matter of she and her aides deleting and wiping devices
Lie #26: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on whether or not she had the authority to set up her own server
Lie #27: the FBI exposed Clinton’s lies on the issue of whether she emailed people without a proper security clearance
Lie #28: last year, Clinton “dusted off” a claim that she tried to join the marines in 1975, but was rejected
Lie #29: not even a week into her campaign kickoff, Clinton was caught telling a falsehood about her family history in Iowa
Lie #30: pandering to voters in New Hampshire, Clinton claimed the first time she ever campaigned for anyone was in that state in 1991
Lie #31: on the 2008 campaign trail, Clinton claimed she came under sniper fire in Bosnia
Lie #32: on the 2008 campaign trail, Clinton embellished her role during northern Ireland’s peace negotiations
Lie #33: on the 2008 campaign trail, Clinton took liberties when describing a trip to Macedonia she made as first lady
Lie #34: on the 2008 campaign trail, Clinton overstated her travel schedule as first lady, implying she traveled to dangerous areas
Lie #35: Clinton has even embellished her story of the bin laden raid
Lie #36: as first lady, Clinton claimed she was named after Edmund Hillary, the first person to climb Mount Everest

tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:32 pm
@blatham,
No, that would be as if my father left me at the neighbors house, thousands and thousands of times, and pretended not to understand what the problem was. Than lie about how many times he left me in the wrong place. Than try to burn me. That's what Hillary did to the e-mails.
tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:45 pm
@blatham,
I know you guys don't like the e-mail thing and try to minimize how important it is, but you can't be THAT blind. Secretary of State, government documents, classified, wrong place, mishandled THOUSANDS of times, lied about. How is that even close to father losing a letter?
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:47 pm
@tony5732,
You equate yourself to emails?
tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Nope, I'm a towboater. Not secretary of state. I handle wires, not e-mails.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:51 pm
@tony5732,

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Obama gave 0 craps about the riots, because many of the riots since 2014 spawned from BLM protests.

Because he's a black man?
blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:52 pm
@McGentrix,
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How about a list of 36?

I think there's no better nor more objective sourcing than the Trump campaign.
tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:53 pm
@blatham,
I don't care if he was a purple man, he gave the same amount of craps.












The space is still there for you.
tony5732
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh my bad Cicero, your late on this one. BLatham was comparing Hillary messing up her job thousands of times and lying about it, to my dad losing a letter. It's all about the sources man.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:00 pm
@tony5732,
Quote:
I know you guys don't like the e-mail thing and try to minimize how important it is, but you can't be THAT blind. Secretary of State, government documents, classified, wrong place, mishandled THOUSANDS of times, lied about. How is that even close to father losing a letter?

The email story is significant not much further than how it served as an effective political vehicle to discredit her candidacy. Because of the sources you attend to, you won't think so. And it serves your purpose to continue to isolate that incident and then using it to suggest that her broad range of work over the years as S of S is all to be somehow colored in the same manner. Even if your take on the first was accurate, that further leap is no sensible.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:03 pm
@tony5732,
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I don't care if he was a purple man, he gave the same amount of craps.

Sorry. We're not even in the same solar system here.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2016 09:08 pm
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The Washington Post reported Friday that the directors of the CIA and FBI, as well as the director of National Intelligence, all back an earlier CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency.

“Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” the Post reported CIA Director John Brennan wrote in a message to the agency’s workforce, according to unnamed officials who saw the message.

“The three of us also agree that our organizations, along with others, need to focus on completing the thorough review of this issue that has been directed by President Obama and which is being led by the DNI,” Brennan said.
link
That would seem fairly compelling. Not sure if Trump has tweeted some new version of his opinions of reality yet.
 

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