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revelette1
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 04:48 pm
@hightor,
Saw your post re Portland, then run across the following from The Guardian. Really interesting and ties in with your piece.

Portland's dark history of white supremacy
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:15 pm
Say goodbye to the power of the Democrat party. Not sure if it will mean the same thing for the Republicans.

Politics in America is on the cusp of change.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/03/29/moving-beyond-resistance-bernie-sanders-headline-progressive-peoples-summit

I cannot WAIT to retire that brood of geriatric criminals.
hightor
 
  5  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:18 pm
@oralloy,
Hey look, I'm not completely ignorant. I know damn well that electricity is currently produced by burning fossil fuels for the most part and that burning coal to recharge a few hundred million batteries every day doesn't make a lot of sense. Which is why I said that "fuel efficiency and non-polluting automobiles are important goals to pursue." I don't need you to explain the difficulty of weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. I don't need you to tell me what you believe environmentalists "dream" either.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:21 pm
@Lash,
The whole notion that a feckless resistance somehow leads is absurd.

If America was now run by a ruthless tyrant, resistance would necessarily come before leadership, but that is clearly not where the country stands and the people who believe it is are quite simply idiots.

However resistance sounds cool and it's easy.

I hope they keep it up because I don't want to see them rise again, but those who do need to stop stoking these ridiculous fires
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layman
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:28 pm
@Lash,
It's just too bad they can't invite Karl Marx and Fred Engels to speak. And if only Uncle Joe Stalin was around to run as their next candidate, they would be plumb full of confidence in winning.

The chumps, them.
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:52 pm
Well, at least the terrorists are drumming up some business for hospitals, eh?

Quote:
London attacks: incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market confirmed as terrorism

London Ambulance Service says it has taken at least 20 patients to six hospitals across London:

We can confirm we have taken at least 20 patients to six hospitals across London following the incident at London Bridge.

We have also treated a number of people at the scene for less serious injuries.

We have declared a major incident and continue to work closely with other members of the emergency services. Our priority is to ensure patients receive the medical help they need as quickly as possible.

As we are very busy dealing with this incident, we would ask the public to only call us in a genuine emergency and to call NHS 111 for urgent healthcare advice.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live?page=with:block-59335dc3e4b0be3ed1922a99#block-59335dc3e4b0be3ed1922a99

But they're detracting from the police business of arresting people who don't respect the memory of Bin Ladin.
hightor
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Well if Haley overstepped, we can expect a tweet any time soon.

One of the few bright lights in the current cabinet...
Quote:
Why does he need to understand the research if he accepts the conclusion, or some aspect of it?

Because he spread a lot of misinformation about CC during the campaign while doing his "dumb down" act for his frothing-at-the-mouth base — he needs to be shown how the research works and how the scientists arrived at their conclusions. He needs understand this so that he can explain and make the case for his decisions rationally instead of calling it a "hoax". Then he needs to restore the cuts which were made in the NOAA and other relevant sub-departments.

Quote:
Assuming the CC orthodoxy is absolutely correct and the dire predictions are accurate, does it make any real sense to give breaks on emission controls to nations that are as responsible, or more so...
Yes, it does. If it gives them the flexibility to invest in renewable energy which will eventually supplant their use of coal and oil. India and China are making huge strides in renewables. Countries in the Mideast as well.
Quote:
...than the US simply because leftists have a fixation with geo-justice for former colonies who themselves were colonial powers in times past?

You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you. You had to drag your binary obsession into the argument. It has nothing to do with "geo-justice", or colonialist guilt, or the "left". The point is that it is unrealistic to expect the poorest countries with the most rapidly expanding populations to cope with disruption of what is already very unsteady economic growth. These countries have neither the wealth nor the social stability that we used to enjoy in the USA before tribalism went mainstream. We don't want the developing world in upheaval; we want them to see some measure of social progress so they are invested in concepts like free trade, education and other social services, and the rule of law. It's a small world and getting smaller— what kind of people do you want to share this place with? Skinheads, neo-Nazis, and jihadist creeps?
layman
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 07:58 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Photo shows man 'with canisters strapped to body'

Pictures have been circulating showing a man on the ground; he appears to have canisters strapped to his body.

The photo was taken by Gabriele Sciotto....The 25-year-old took pictures of the men after they had been shot, lying on the floor:

I could see one of them moving still. There was blood. I could see the police were scared. The policeman in Borough Market, he was trying to make sure that no one was hurt. He was trying to get them outside. The police reaction was very quick.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live?page=with:block-59335dc3e4b0be3ed1922a99#block-59335dc3e4b0be3ed1922a99

Cannisters, eh? Of poison nerve gas, ya figure?
hightor
 
  3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:06 pm
from the New York Times:
How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science
Quote:
WASHINGTON — The campaign ad appeared during the presidential contest of 2008. Rapid-fire images of belching smokestacks and melting ice sheets were followed by a soothing narrator who praised a candidate who had stood up to President George W. Bush and “sounded the alarm on global warming.”

It was not made for a Democrat, but for Senator John McCain, who had just secured the Republican nomination.

It is difficult to reconcile the Republican Party of 2008 with the party of 2017, whose leader, President Trump, has called global warming a hoax, reversed environmental policies that Mr. McCain advocated on his run for the White House, and this past week announced that he would take the nation out of the Paris climate accord, which was to bind the globe in an effort to halt the planet’s warming.

The Republican Party’s fast journey from debating how to combat human-caused climate change to arguing that it does not exist is a story of big political money, Democratic hubris in the Obama years and a partisan chasm that grew over nine years like a crack in the Antarctic shelf, favoring extreme positions and uncompromising rhetoric over cooperation and conciliation.

“Most Republicans still do not regard climate change as a hoax,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who worked for Senator Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign. “But the entire climate change debate has now been caught up in the broader polarization of American politics.”

“In some ways,” he added, “it’s become yet another of the long list of litmus test issues that determine whether or not you’re a good Republican.”

(...)

Those divisions did not happen by themselves. Republican lawmakers were moved along by a campaign carefully crafted by fossil fuel industry players, most notably Charles D. and David H. Koch, the Kansas-based billionaires who run a chain of refineries (which can process 600,000 barrels of crude oil per day) as well as a subsidiary that owns or operates 4,000 miles of pipelines that move crude oil.

Government rules intended to slow climate change are “making people’s lives worse rather than better,” Charles Koch explained in a rare interview last year with Fortune, arguing that despite the costs, these efforts would make “very little difference in the future on what the temperature or the weather will be.”

(...)


reasoning logic
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:07 pm
Can you believe this about Trump?

It is only 4 minutes.

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layman
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:10 pm
@layman,
Now they're using cars to run down people, eh? And slashing people with machetes, even. And using guns. Oh, wait, they've been doing that for decades:

Quote:

LONDON — A vehicle struck pedestrians on London Bridge and one or more attackers stabbed people at nearby Borough Market, police and witnesses said, in what authorities said were terrorist incidents that injured at least 20 people.

London's Metropolitan Police said there were reports of a vehicle striking pedestrians on the bridge at around 10:08 p.m. (5:08 p.m. ET). NBC News' British partner ITV News reported that people in the area said a van struck multiple pedestrians on the bridge.

From there police were called to a report of a stabbing at nearby Borough Market, armed police responded and shots were fired, police said.

"I hear maybe six to eight gunshots and screams unlike I've ever heard before. People running — I've never ran so fast in my life," Joe Dillon, an American grad student at Kings College, told MSNBC. "I ran and I hid."

Railway worker Matt Cooper said he was going out for a coffee near Borough Market and "I saw loads of people running towards me and I heard gunfire." He said he heard about 12 shots. Police told everyone to run.

At least 20 people were taken to six hospitals across the city, with others treated at the scenes as well, officials said.

There was no immediate word from authorities on whether there were any arrests or how many attackers were involved.


BBC reporter Holly Jones was on London Bridge at the time of the incident and said the van was driven by a man who appeared traveling around 50 miles per hour.

"He swerved right round me and then hit about five or six people. He hit about two people in front of me and then three behind," Jones said, the BBC reported. Jones confirmed the account in an interview with MSNBC.

Gerard Vowls, 47, described seeing people being stabbed, seeing blood, and realizing it wasn't a "joke." '.....they're going, 'This is for Allah,' and they're just running around."


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/london-bridge-closed-after-major-incident-report-van-hitting-people-n767966

Those muslims are busy little beavers, sho nuff, eh?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:11 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Well if Haley overstepped, we can expect a tweet any time soon.

One of the few bright lights in the current cabinet...
Quote:
Why does he need to understand the research if he accepts the conclusion, or some aspect of it?

Because he spread a lot of misinformation about CC during the campaign while doing his "dumb down" act for his frothing-at-the-mouth base — he needs to be shown how the research works and how the scientists arrived at their conclusions. He needs understand this so that he can explain and make the case for his decisions rationally instead of calling it a "hoax". Then he needs to restore the cuts which were made in the NOAA and other relevant sub-departments.


Not a convincing answer. You do realize, don't you, that he's not bound to govern in accordance with your wishes? I didn't listen to his entire speech but I didn't hear him say CC is a hoax. Did he? What he said on the campaign trail is meaningless unless you are going to hold all candidates to what they say.

Quote:
Assuming the CC orthodoxy is absolutely correct and the dire predictions are accurate, does it make any real sense to give breaks on emission controls to nations that are as responsible, or more so...
Quote:
Yes, it does. If it gives them the flexibility to invest in renewable energy which will eventually supplant their use of coal and oil. India and China are making huge strides in renewables. Countries in the Mideast as well.


No it doesn't if humanity is on the verge of extinction. When we are gasping for our last breath are you going to reflect "Well it was worth allowing China, India et al to get a leg up?"

Quote:
...than the US simply because leftists have a fixation with geo-justice for former colonies who themselves were colonial powers in times past?

Quote:
You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you. You had to drag your binary obsession into the argument. It has nothing to do with "geo-justice", or colonialist guilt, or the "left". The point is that it is unrealistic to expect the poorest countries with the most rapidly expanding populations to cope with disruption of what is already very unsteady economic growth. These countries have neither the wealth nor the social stability that we used to enjoy in the USA before tribalism went mainstream. We don't want the developing world in upheaval; we want them to see some measure of social progress so they are invested in concepts like free trade, education and other social services, and the rule of law.


And you couldn't leave your leftist ideology out of the matter.

If we are facing an existential calamity who the hell cares about what is "realistic" or fair concerning developing nations?

We don't have more than these other countries because we stole their wealth. They are where they are because of how they behave. We don't owe them our prosperity.
Brandon9000
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:36 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Can you give another example from world history of a pair of people who have earned $100 million or a single person who has earned $50 million by giving speeches?

Do I look like a ******* encyclopedia or something? Do your own god damned research if you're so obsessed with this question. You asked if it were possible and I gave you a hypothetical scenario. And learn how to format a response — you included your question in my quoted post.

So, you cannot think of an example from history of any human who has done what they claim to have done to earn this money.
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:36 pm
Quote:
What to Know About the London Attacks
TIME Staff
9:16 PM ET

Police describe the attacks as "ongoing," and armed officers are on the scene. The London Ambulance Service has dispatched multiple response teams to the sites. Responders have taken at least 20 people to six hospitals, the Associated Press reports.

People have been evacuated from the area, and both London Bridge and Borough subway stations are closed.


http://time.com/4804429/london-bridge-attack-what-to-know/

Of course the attacks are "ongoing." Have been for years, and will be for years to come, given the Limeys' lack of action to eliminate these terrorists. They just invite more and more in, that's all.
gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:38 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Hey look, I'm not completely ignorant.


You could have fooled me....
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layman
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:42 pm
Of course muslims running wild, stabbing people in the name of Allah, is rather insignificant compared to what Trunp has done.

He has just guaranteed the total extinction of the human race by the year 2019, eh?

Aint that right, cheese-eaters?
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:47 pm
@layman,
Quote:
And if only Uncle Joe Stalin was around to run as their next candidate,


Дядя Юсип was way above the level of today's demopervs. What they really need for their next presidential candidate is Trayvon Martin. Maybe they can get one of their Hollywood schlamozzles who is an expert in zombiism to resurrect his goofy ass. Actually, when you think about it, by the next time the American people have stopped aiding Democrats enough that there might be any chance of a Democrat winning a presidential race, a Trayvon zombie would be old enough to run for the office...


http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Trayvon-Martin-17.jpg
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 08:56 pm
@gungasnake,
Another prime candidate for 2020:



Eeyeewaaaaa!

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