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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
establishment conservatives tells it all
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump "believes the climate is changing," U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Saturday.

"President Trump believes the climate is changing and he believes pollutants are part of the equation," Haley said during an excerpt of a CNN interview released on Saturday. The interview will be broadcast on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday.
Source
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
So...not quite the science denier after all.

hightor
 
  5  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
So...not quite the science denier after all.

First thing, it's Ambassador Haley who's saying this, not Mr. Trump. Second, it doesn't really represent an affirmation of climate science; he could just be going along with the emerging consensus without taking the trouble to understand the research. Third, even if he's changed his opinion on the matter, it's not as if he's using the bully pulpit to bring all the conservative science deniers along with him or accepting the USA's responsibility to work with the rest of the world on this problem. Let's wait and see.
revelette1
 
  9  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Who knows? He could say something totally different an hour from now or next week. Like everything else, he doesn't really have a fixed idea on it.
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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:41 pm
@gungasnake,
So, the arctic ice caps aren't shrinking? Glaciers aren't melting? Sea levels aren't rising? Wow, I guess we've been had!
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 01:45 pm
@hightor,
Well if Haley overstepped, we can expect a tweet any time soon.

Why does he need to understand the research if he accepts the conclusion, or some aspect of it?

What he has clearly stated is that the USA's responsibility has been overstated.

Assuming the CC orthodoxy is absolutely correct and the dire predictions are accurate, does it make any real sense to give breaks on emission controls to nations that are as responsible, or more so, than the US simply because leftists have a fixation with geo-justice for former colonies who themselves were colonial powers in times past?

layman
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 02:37 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

So, the arctic ice caps aren't shrinking?

Ask NASA, eh?

Quote:
NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

“We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology.

Zwally’s team calculated that the mass gain from the thickening of East Antarctica remained steady from 1992 to 2008 at 200 billion tons per year, while the ice losses from the coastal regions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula increased by 65 billion tons per year.

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said.


https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

When ya gunna stop denyin science, like the IPCC does, eh?
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 02:52 pm
Quote:
Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat

Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#7a98dc0b2892

Why do the alarmist science deniers continue to lie, I wonder?

Maybe their hearts are still bleeding from Al Gore's fake "stranded polar bear" swindle, eh?
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layman
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 02:59 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said.


This **** is gunna hurt Al Gore's investments BIGTIME, eh? Among other disasters, when the sea level keeps dropping, someone will build in front of the multi-million dollar oceanfront properties he owns.

Time for a new "documentary" from Al, I figure.
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maporsche
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:00 pm
@Lash,
How this related to trump?
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:14 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
So...not quite the science denier after all.

First thing, it's Ambassador Haley who's saying this, not Mr. Trump. Second, it doesn't really represent an affirmation of climate science; he could just be going along with the emerging consensus without taking the trouble to understand the research. Third, even if he's changed his opinion on the matter, it's not as if he's using the bully pulpit to bring all the conservative science deniers along with him or accepting the USA's responsibility to work with the rest of the world on this problem. Let's wait and see.


Perhaps he meant that, as most geologists know, the earth's climate has been changing throughout geological history, There's really no news in that.
The United States actually achieved a greater recent reduction in its carbon emissions through the replacement of coal fired plants with combined cycle gas plants than did any other major country in the world by any other means . Oddly we got little credit or notice for that, presumably because our economic self-interest was also well served. Meanwhile Germany saw an increase in its emissions because its Chancellor directed the premature shutdown of a number of emission free nuclear plants to suit her political interest in eliminating a rival political party, the Greens. The real issue here is whether we meet the expectations of others in forcing the use of inefficient and far more expensive wind and photo voltaic solar sources, instead of investing in newer and better developing technologies and already proven sources such as nuclear power.
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snood
 
  5  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:30 pm
Hey, Trump is going to do a big showy 'Infrastructure Plan' announcement from the Rose Garden on Monday. I hear they are planning to make this 'Infrastructure Week'. Pretty crafty, huh? I bet this makes everyone forget all about Comey coming to testify before Congress the same week.
Heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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layman
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:33 pm
Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?

Quote:
Manchester bomber Abedi met ISIS fighters in Libya

Manchester suicide bomber Salman Abedi went to Libya before the attack and met with Islamic State extremists linked to the 2015 Paris terrorist attack, The New York Times reported Saturday.

The report, citing current and retired intelligence officials, said Abedi met the ISIS operatives on visits to Tripoli and another town.

The paper reported that those operatives were from Katibat al-Battar al-Libi, a core ISIS unit that attracted a number of French and Belgian foreign fighters and carried out terror attacks in Europe when it moved to Libya from Syria.

Alumni of the group were involved in the Paris attacks, including mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the paper reported.


Libya is the new terrorist capital of the world, it seems. Thanks, Obama.

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oralloy
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:45 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
No, I can't see mass transit working very well in the USA. That's why fuel efficiency and non-polluting automobiles are important goals to pursue.

An electric car that gets its electricity from a coal fired power plant (with large transmission losses as the energy moves down power lines) is not exactly a non-polluting automobile.

The pollution may be moved from the tailpipe to the power plant's smokestack, but that car will probably put out ten times as much carbon dioxide as an internal combustion engine would.


The environmentalists have this dream that, when renewables and increased efficiency fail to meet the entire electrical load, and the environmentalists have prevented significant investment in nuclear power or pipelines filled with fracked natural gas, American electricity consumers will happily roll over and accept third-world-style rolling blackouts.

The American electricity consumer will not. If coal is the only way that the American people are allowed to get all the electricity they want (and a large transition to electric cars will only increase that demand), then coal is going to be burned in America.
oralloy
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:46 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
Very few people seem to have known who she was and nobody saw the video/pic/whatever. Everyone around me was asking what it was and if anyone had seen it. The answer was consistently - no idea and no. Gotta wonder who found it to show it to Mr. Trump's son.

The picture was widely shown on TV by all the reporters who were covering the story. Presumably his son just watched the evening news.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:48 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Part fight club, part Western-pride fraternity, the Alt-Knights and similar groups recruit battalions of mainly young white men for one-off confrontations with their ideological enemies — the black-clad left-wing militants who disrupted President Trump’s inauguration and have protested against the appearances of conservative speakers on college campuses.

Along with like-minded groups like the Proud Boys, a clan of young conservative nationalists, and the Oath Keepers, an organization of current and former law-enforcement officers and military veterans, they mobilized on social media to fight in New Orleans over the removal of Confederate monuments; on the streets of Berkeley, Calif., where clashes between the left and right have increasingly become a threat for law enforcement; and at a raucous May Day rally in Los Angeles.

Nice. About time someone stepped up to protect us from these violent thugs. My thanks goes out to these heroes.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:49 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
The left is having a completely unnecessary hissy fit over this. At most, Trump will be in office for 8 years. In 8 years the Democrats will again try to forward some shitty candidate to be the next President. When Trump is gone, the next President can change EPA laws and such.

I stand by my prediction that the Republicans will hold the White House for the next 20 years.

And my prediction that, even after that, the voters will not return the Democrats to power until after moderate Democrats purge the extremists from their ranks.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Well, we'll see because what we are told must be done to avert calamity is not going to be done.

And it will largely be the fault of the environmentalists.

We could reduce carbon by transitioning over to more nuclear power. The environmentalists block that.

We could reduce carbon by replacing coal with pipelines full of fracked natural gas. The environmentalists fight both fracking and pipelines.

We could counter carbon by releasing inert dust into the upper atmosphere to block some of the sunlight. The environmentalists won't even let that one be considered.
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layman
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 03:52 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Nice. About time someone stepped up to protect us from these violent thugs. My thanks goes out to these heroes.


When a patriotic right winger takes on a cheese-eating lefty, who ya gunna put your money on? I mean, assuming the cheese-eater can't run fast enough to get away, ya know?
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