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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 09:12 am
@snood,
Who the **** is Kathy Griffin anyway? I'd never heard of her until now, she's not exactly a megastar. It just shows how paper skinned and paranoid Trump and his supporters are if they're going to get so upset by a joke from a minor celebrity.
maporsche
 
  4  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 09:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Who the **** is Kathy Griffin anyway? I'd never heard of her until now, she's not exactly a megastar. It just shows how paper skinned and paranoid Trump and his supporters are if they're going to get so upset by a joke from a minor celebrity.


None of them knew who she was either. They're grasping at straws now. Kinda funny, if it weren't so sad.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:01 am
@maporsche,
I know, they've given her career a boost.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:37 am
Something really weird is happening in the MSM today.

Several media outlets are finally reporting some damaging information about the battle between Clinton and the DNC, and I've seen a few critical articles about Clinton's Blame Game tour.

I have a feeling Clinton is distancing herself from the DNC because of the troubles they are about to incur via the Sanders lawsuit against Wasserman, Brazile and Co.

Either that or she's stopped payment on her checks to her media cronies.

At any rate, the improvement is appreciated.

hightor
 
  2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:48 am
And then there's the "degree of threat" implied by these two particular examples (Nugent and Griffin). Politically motivated assassination from a distance using a high-powered rifle is not only possible; it's actually occurred. Given the ubiquity of firearms in our culture, especially in right-leaning rural communities where military snipers are celebrated as heroes, encouraging people to shoot political figures stimulates all sorts of fantasies by would-be killers. Capturing Mr. Trump and cutting off his head, on the other hand, seems a bit more far-fetched and a lot less likely. I don't even know if we have a working guillotine in the USA. But I would expect that such distinctions are lost on conservative crybabies.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:48 am
@maporsche,
Very few people seem to have known who she was and nobody saw the video/pic/whatever. Everyone around me was asking what it was and if anyone had seen it. The answer was consistently - no idea and no. Gotta wonder who found it to show it to Mr. Trump's son.
hightor
 
  4  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:51 am
This is cute:
Quote:
Part fight club, part Western-pride fraternity, the Alt-Knights and similar groups recruit battalions of mainly young white men for one-off confrontations with their ideological enemies — the black-clad left-wing militants who disrupted President Trump’s inauguration and have protested against the appearances of conservative speakers on college campuses.

Along with like-minded groups like the Proud Boys, a clan of young conservative nationalists, and the Oath Keepers, an organization of current and former law-enforcement officers and military veterans, they mobilized on social media to fight in New Orleans over the removal of Confederate monuments; on the streets of Berkeley, Calif., where clashes between the left and right have increasingly become a threat for law enforcement; and at a raucous May Day rally in Los Angeles.

Both sides have issued a call to arms this weekend for an event being billed as a “Trump Free Speech Rally” in Portland, Ore., which is already on edge after a man was charged in the murder of two people who tried to intercede last week as he hurled anti-Islamic insults at two women on a train. “This is a war,” declared the Proud Boys’ founder, Gavin McInnes, in a column this week.

(...)

Some groups like the Proud Boys have initiation rituals that include violent hazing and require an oath of fealty to Western culture. Their followers thrive on hyper-masculinity and celebrate when one of their brethren hits a leftist agitator. They mock Islam and purport to be soldiers against a “war on Whites,” while being mindful not to embrace overt white supremacy. Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime associate of Mr. Trump’s, has taken the Proud Boy oath.



NYT
snood
 
  4  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 10:57 am
@hightor,
Yeah... "cute" wasn't the first word I thought of to describe this white-guy endeavor.
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McGentrix
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:24 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

No, I can't see mass transit working very well in the USA. That's why fuel efficiency and non-polluting automobiles are important goals to pursue.


A few on here have repeatedly stated that the Paris Accord had no teeth and didn't really do much at all as participation was voluntary.

What does the US being in or out of the Paris Accord have to do with what you've stated above? Do you somehow think that Americans are suddenly demand coal powered vehicles? Do you think American automobile manufacturers are going to stop selling autos globally? Do you think the hybrid I and millions of other drivers commute in daily are going to be recalled and fixed with engines that use whale oil?

The left is having a completely unnecessary hissy fit over this. At most, Trump will be in office for 8 years. In 8 years the Democrats will again try to forward some shitty candidate to be the next President. When Trump is gone, the next President can change EPA laws and such.

I consider you to be one of the saner lefties here Hightor. Don't fall in with the crazies on this.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:30 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


Too bad Mr. Trump chose Pittsburgh to complete his alliteration as the city voted heavily for Clinton who won Allegheny County by 16 percentage points..



But whether or not the majority of voters in Pittsburgh voted for him, he was elected to represent them and he is doing just that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:35 am
@blatham,
The reality is that I don't understand the Koch Brothers as you do and that's most likely because I have not studied the works of left-wing conspiracy theorists.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:37 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Sez you, but by now you should know how I feel about what you sez.


I can't speak for Snood, but personally I yearn for your incisive and common sense comments. I'm honored to be in the presence of such a lamp of knowledge and wisdom......the only thing that makes me sad is that there are so many people in the world who do not have access to you.




Thank you dudette
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:38 am
@glitterbag,
How's your stomach?

Much better I hope
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:44 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

Who the **** is Kathy Griffin anyway? I'd never heard of her until now, she's not exactly a megastar. It just shows how paper skinned and paranoid Trump and his supporters are if they're going to get so upset by a joke from a minor celebrity.


None of them knew who she was either. They're grasping at straws now. Kinda funny, if it weren't so sad.


Is there a handbook that goes out with talking points about this stuff?

Not being America, I can understand Izzy not knowing who she is. She is not an international star. She is a D-List celebrity, which also happens to have been the name of her show she starred in for awhile. She is a comedienne and perpetual talk show guest.

I'd say most people in America would recognize her in a lineup and go "I've seen her before, where was that?"
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 11:45 am
James Mattis asks US allies to 'bear with us' amid backlash over isolationism
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US secretary of defense James Mattis has urged allies to “bear with us”, noting it would be a “crummy world” if Americans retreated into isolationism.
[...]
“As far as the rules-based order, you know, obviously we have a new president in Washington DC,” Mattis said at the event organised by the International Institute for Strategic Studies. “We’re all aware of that. And there is going to be fresh approaches taken.”

He defended Trump, pointing out that the president had just made his first foreign trip, “straight into the heart of one of the most bewildering and difficult challenges” in the Middle East. However, the defense secretary did acknowledge a historical “reluctance” among Americans to engage with the world.

“The 20th century took us out of that,” he said. “What a crummy world if we all retreat inside our own borders. How many people deprived of good lives during the Depression? How many tens of millions of people killed in WWII? Like it or not, we’re part of the world.”

Mattis said that though there was a sense among some Americans that the country was bearing “an inordinate burden”, global engagement was still “very deeply rooted in the American psyche”.

“Bear with us,” he said before going to paraphrase a quote from Winston Churchill: “Once we’ve exhausted all possible alternatives, the Americans will do the right thing.”
[...]
A former senior official in the national security council, Loren DeJonge Schulman, said the White House debate did not seem to have been carried out in a very organised way, with no representations from the Pentagon and not much science.

“No one appeared to be in charge of running the debate,” Schulman, now at the Centre for a New American Security, said on Twitter.

“That matters for a few reasons: no one was ensuring that all perspectives were included. Mattis called this not his job jar, but [the defense department] and [intelligence community] have each commented, across admins, on costly and risky impacts of climate change ...

“But most importantly: we had no scientists with a real voice in the room.”
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hightor
 
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Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:11 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:

What does the US being in or out of the Paris Accord have to do with what you've stated above?

Nothing. I was directly answering Builder's question which appeared to have come out of the blue.

But yes, in general, the pursuit of efficiency and minimally polluting energy sources is a good idea, whether or not they're a factor in climate change. I find the right's disdain for alternative energy, clean air and water, sustainable economics, and resource conservation rather strange. It's as if it was the other side's idea so, by golly, they're going to oppose it.

As far as the left's "unnecessary hissy fit" I don't think it's all directly linked to environmental issues. I think some people really believe that the USA should work in concert with its Western allies and they find Trump's bellicose "America First" campaign disturbing and his behavior boorish.
Quote:
When Trump is gone, the next President can change EPA laws and such.

Environmental damage is cumulative. And the country will have to spend a substantial amount of money and effort to clean up the mess Mr. Trump's policies will have left behind.
gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:21 pm
another fb friend:
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Research This People ! And Challenge All Democrats You Know And Ask Them Why They Defend This B.S. What Is The Perverted Reason "GEORGE SOROS" And The DEMOCRATS: Support's Radical Islamist " LINDA SARSOUR"...The Democratic Party's New Heroine?....She Is The Poster Child For Sharia Law. What Person In Their Right Mind Would Be A Democrat Today? This Woman Has Documented Ties To Terrorists That Have Murdered Americans. Are Liberal Leftwing Marxist's Really That Stupid? I See People Who Are Paid To Gather Protestors All Paid For By George Soros Who Has Publicly Stated His Goal Is To Destroy The United States. Anyone Protesting Against The President Today Are Nothing More Than The Living Dead; A Nation Of Mindless Zombies !

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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:38 pm
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:41 pm
@gungasnake,
Well, we'll see because what we are told must be done to avert calamity is not going to be done.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 3 Jun, 2017 12:52 pm
@hightor,
How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science
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Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who worked for Senator Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign. “But the entire climate change debate has now been caught up in the broader polarization of American politics.”

“In some ways,” he added, “it’s become yet another of the long list of litmus test issues that determine whether or not you’re a good Republican.”

[... ... ... ... ... ...]

Outside of Congress, a small number of establishment conservatives, including a handful of leaders from the Reagan administration, have begun pushing Washington to act on climate change. Earlier this year, James A. Baker III, one of the Republican Party’s more eminent senior figures, met with senior White House officials to urge them to consider incorporating a carbon tax as part of a broader tax overhaul package — a way to both pay for proposed cuts to corporate tax rates and help save the planet. A Reagan White House senior economist, Art Laffer; a former secretary of state, George P. Shultz; and Henry M. Paulson Jr., George W. Bush’s final Treasury secretary, have also pushed the idea.

“There are members from deep-red districts who have approached me about figuring out how to become part of this effort,” Mr. Curbelo said. “I know we have the truth on our side. So I’m confident that we’ll win — eventually.”
 

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