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blatham
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 05:37 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Interesting. So Exxon sails tobacco? Is that why you just went on about tobacco instead of Exxon?

You conspiracy theory nuts are crazy.

There's a post that is entirely lacking in integrity, McG.
1) the point was that capitalism can be and has been a route for massive duplicitousness and immoral behavior.
2) Thus the mention of tobacco
3) Further, the propagandist technique used by tobacco (casting doubt on the solid science of the health hazards of smoking) was subsequently adopted by the petroleum industry to cast doubt on the science of GW
4) I described the specifics of what Exxon had done.
reasoning logic
 
  0  
Thu 1 Jun, 2017 05:38 pm
Have you ever thought about, "what it means to be free" ?

Blickers
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 05:50 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:
Do you really think backing out of the accords is going to effect any development of alternate energy here in the states? That's foolish thinking.

The United States has the world's largest economy. If we place less emphasis on clean energy, then less capital will be devoted to developing it.
reasoning logic
 
  0  
Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:02 pm
@Blickers,
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If we place less emphasis on clean energy, then less capital will be devoted to developing it.


I am not saying you are wrong but I think that educated investors have already seen the massive profits exploding in green energy. Sure some investors will make bad decision but not all of them. Cool
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:09 pm
https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmerickJones/videos/vb.6499393458/10155425992318459/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1496188815303863

DT shoots down the bilderbergers and globalists...
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:15 pm
@layman,
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@farmerman,
Merkel, heh. As if anybody on any continent on the planet had the least bit of respect for her weak ass, eh?


The whore of Babylon rates more respect than Angela Ferkel...
gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:16 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Well, it is official, I hate him.


The guy really does have all the right enemies...
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georgeob1
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:17 pm
@blatham,
Do you believe the health effects of smoking weed are any less than with tobacco?
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:32 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
There's a post that is entirely lacking in integrity, McG.
1) the point was that capitalism can be and has been a route for massive duplicitousness and immoral behavior.
2) Thus the mention of tobacco
3) Further, the propagandist technique used by tobacco (casting doubt on the solid science of the health hazards of smoking) was subsequently adopted by the petroleum industry to cast doubt on the science of GW
4) I described the specifics of what Exxon had done.


1) Do you really think any other system hasn't? Capitalism isn't special in this regard, Communism and Socialism also see their fair share of duplicitous and immoral behavior. The difference I think is in many people enjoy the benefits of living in such a society. You have a much better chance of the average person becoming wealthy in a capitalist society than you do in either of the other economic societies. At least in a capitalist one people are mostly honest about their intentions, they want to make money.

2) easy pickings from another group you don't approve of.

3)This point couldn't be further from the truth and is a stretch at best. Proving that the planet is warming isn't that much of a stretch, we don't exactly live in a static environment and the climate has always changed. Pointing the finger at humans is where the doubt comes in. The very same people who started this science were the very same people who were already against the oil companies, bending the science to fit your views isn't science at all. There is no real "consensus" on man made global climate change, that has been debunked.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#1f5afb5c3f9f

4)You sure did, doesn't mean you are right. There is good reason to doubt the "science" of man made climate change. As I noted above, the very people who were against oil companies found a convenient way of pushing blame on the oil companies and the general industrialization of the human race, we don't live in a static system. Have you ever been to area's that are miles and miles away from the ocean yet the dirt contains seashells? I always found it odd that areas 30 miles from the ocean, job sites I used to work on, when the big machines were digging ditches or holes for big pipping projects the dirt always contains tons and tones of seashells. Could it be that the ocean levels used to be much higher and a lot of San Diego area was under water?

Did you ever that Mars, a planet with little to no atmosphere has things called seeps. They are basically wet spots on the side of hills on the surface of Mars. Scientists were baffled by the discovery because they had taken pictures of some of these same area's before and hadn't seen them. It turns out that much like Earth Mars has seasons and the underground permafrost melts and "runs" down the hills causing the wet effect in the picture. How can a planet with little atmosphere get warm enough to cause permafrost to melt into enough of a liquid state that it turns to water ?
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/2014/0513-whats-seeping-on-mars.html
Baldimo
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:33 pm
@georgeob1,
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Do you believe the health effects of smoking weed are any less than with tobacco?

I'm been running some tests of my own for the last few years, I'll keep you posted on my progress. Cool
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 06:47 pm
You have some of those assholes trying to claim that it will take four years for the US to exit the Paris Accord...

What is it they are overlooking? Ah yes, the fine print: "SUBJECT TO RATIFICATION"...

The US senate never ratified the ******* thing, all they have is what Bork (Obunga) himself called the "Stroke of a pen, law of the land" thing.

Guess what? Donalt Trump has a pen too.....

thuthunga
 
  1  
Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:15 pm
I agree with the writer's assessment of the five so-called "right-wingers": "With the exception of Steve Schmidt, who has been supportive of gay causes, none of the dissenters are remotely allies. But they are people of principle." I agree completely. Considering the author's political and social position, I'm quite touched by his statement.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:16 pm
@revelette1,
I was someplace today where I couldent change the station. It was fox tv. I couldent believe all the BS spouted by Trump and all his sincopats. The fox news people fed his liars pat questions that were mostly lies and Trump as usual lied his ass off. We are screwed for the next 4 years.
ossobucotemp
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:36 pm
@RABEL222,
I'm basically embarrassed for the US.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:38 pm
@gungasnake,
Quote:
What is it they are overlooking? Ah yes, the fine print: "SUBJECT TO RATIFICATION"...


I should have added, that being signed by one rat does not constitute rat-ification.....
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:42 pm
@RABEL222,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:43 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
I'm basically embarrassed for the US.


It's mutual (the US is embarassed for YOU)....
camlok
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:48 pm
@gungasnake,
Quote:
(the US is embarassed[sic] for YOU)....


That means that the US is in agreement with the embarrassment felt by Osso.

Essentially,

"In addition to your embarrassment, Osso, we the US also feel the same thing."
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 08:58 pm
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blatham
 
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Thu 1 Jun, 2017 09:16 pm
@georgeob1,
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Do you believe the health effects of smoking weed are any less than with tobacco?
Actually, I've never looked into this question. The main reason being that where cigarette smokers commonly smoke 20 cigarettes a day, most marijuana smokers (and I've known a lot of them) smoke a joint or two per week. Some smoke more but I've never met anyone who smokes even ten joints each day. So the quantity difference is significant. A second key factor here is that tobacco is physically addictive while marijuana is not, thus the hold that tobacco has on people and which is far less or absent in marijuana use.

But I thought I ought to do a bit of reading on your question. Here's some data:
Quote:
A meta-analysis of additional case-control studies, published in the International Journal of Cancer in 2014, similarly reported, “Results from our pooled analyses provide little evidence for an increased risk of lung cancer among habitual or long-term cannabis smokers,” while a 2009 Brown University studydetermined that those who had a history of marijuana smoking possessed a significantly decreased risk of head and neck cancers as compared to those subjects who did not.

Marijuana Smoke and Pulmonary Function

According to a 2015 study conducted at Emory University in Atlanta, the inhalation of cannabis smoke, even over extended periods of time, is not associated with detrimental effects on pulmonary function, such as forced expiratory volume (FEV1) and forced vital capacity (FCV). Assessing marijuana smoke exposure and lung health in a large representative sample of U.S. adults, age 18 to 59, they maintained, “The pattern of marijuana’s effects seems to be distinctly different when compared to that of tobacco use.” Subjects had inhaled the equivalent of one marijuana cigarette per day for 20 years, yet did not experience FEV1 decline or deleterious change in spirometric values of small airways disease.

Marijuana Smoke and COPD

While tobacco smoking is recognized as a major risk factor for the development of COPD – a chronic inflammation of the airways that may ultimately result in premature death – marijuana smoke exposure (absent concurrent tobacco smoke exposure) appears to present little COPD risk. In 2013, McGill University professor and physician Mark Ware wrote in the journal Annals of the American Thoracic Society: “Cannabis smoking does not seem to increase risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or airway cancers… Efforts to develop cleaner cannabinoid delivery systems can and should continue, but at least for now, (those) who smoke small amounts of cannabis for medical or recreational purposes can breathe a little bit easier.”
Alternet (internal links)
Different compounds produce different chemicals and one type of "smoke" is not equal to any other type of smoke in health consequences.

But this is irrelevant to what was being discussed which was that the big tobacco companies knew, clearly knew, the health consequences of their product, that they hid that data, and that they set to a propaganda campaign over decades to denigrate the science on this subject and that they did so for money. They knew they were killing people but money was more important.
 

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