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@farmerman,

Merkel, heh. As if anybody on any continent on the planet had the least bit of respect for her weak ass, eh?

@layman,

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Merkel, heh. As if anybody on any continent on the planet had the least bit of respect for her weak ass, eh?

It's difficult to comprehend the stupidity of a comment like that, layman. You outdo yourself.

You say this about her but have you done any polling on Trump's respect levels around the world.

Hey, you are layman, what can anyone say?

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@Walter Hinteler,

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China, India and the EU will take over on developing renewable energies, including benefiting from the jobs and business opportunities this offers.

Yes. And aside from the short-sighted economics here, that just further demonstrates the corrupt hold that the petroleum industry has on the GOP, particularly. Add in the consequences of delay in facing the certain disasters following from GW. It's insane and immoral at a level that is truly frightening.

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Well, it is official, I hate him.

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What does U.S. withdrawal mean?

Under the normal rules, the United States cannot withdraw until November 2020. Under the rules of the agreement, a country cannot announce its formal withdrawal until three years after the agreement entered into force.

Even then, it takes one year from the date of notification for that withdrawal to take effect.

However, there is a nuclear option. The United States could signal not only its intent to withdraw from the Paris agreement but also from the 1992 parent U.N. Framework Convention on climate change. That move would take the U.S. out of both within a year.

Though negotiated in 2015, the Paris agreement only entered into force on Nov. 4, 2016. That means, barring U.S. withdrawal from the UNFCCC, the United States will still be a party to the agreement between now and November 2020. If Trump loses a reelection bid, his successor could promptly rejoin in January 2021.

WP

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@blatham,

Interesting.

Somewhere in this thread revelette posted a list of the oil company execs who urged Trump to stick with the Accords.

Contradictory no?

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@farmerman,

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We managed to patch up all the crap that GWbush left

Certainly not in the Middle East.

Even aside from that, I don't think that optimism is warranted. The US is, in many ways, still suffering from the Reagan period, not least in the level of ideological extremism and anti-scientism, anti-intellectualism on the right.

And I think Trump may well be much more destructive than Bush because so much is being torn down, internationally and domestically, which will be much more difficult to rebuild than it was to destroy.

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@blatham,

When Reagan was president you no doubt bemoaned the end of American democracy, followed by the same lament during the presidencies of Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Now another Republican president is in the White House and American democracy is really really doomed!

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Somewhere in this thread revelette posted a list of the oil company execs who urged Trump to stick with the Accords.

Contradictory no?

Abso-phucking-lutely, Finn.

blatham is not quite up to your level but he is fighting to get there. You all are so stunningly contradictory, so stunningly hypocritical, so ... .

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Now another Republican president is in the White House and American democracy is really really doomed!

I realize what he said was a few sentences long, Finn, but don't you think he was describing the cumulative effects

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Somewhere in this thread revelette posted a list of the oil company execs who urged Trump to stick with the Accords.

Contradictory no?

Yes, there's a contradiction. Or the appearance of one. But we know that this industry has maintained a public posture which is the reverse of what are their actual plans and operations. We know, for example, that Exxon's scientists and executives understood the reality of global warming and its consequences many years before that corporation publicly admitted this and in those years, they continued to fund GW-denial PR operations. And we have a very good idea of how much money this industry has, and still is, pumping into GW denial and into stopping regulations designed to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. We know who is supporting the Koch brothers' operations with very big money and we know that this is designed to cast doubt on GW science, to promote GW denial and curb regulations through very organized support of candidates who will play along.

If Tillerson does not resign today or tomorrow, that will give you a clue as to how sincere he is in his public statements.

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@blatham,

Ah yes...the sinister and duplicitous capitalists!

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@revelette1,

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Well, it is official, I hate him.

Why? I'm sure the US can use its mighty wealth stolen from the poor of the world to dike around Hawaii and US coastal regions

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So this idiot Trump is going to back out of the Paris Agreement. He's going to put the US in the backseat, well out of the car actually since we will have NO seat and let Russia and China take the lead in the largest growing industry that will dominate for the next 30 years.

Trump is giving this country to our enemies and anyone that can't see that is blinded by stupidity.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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When Reagan was president you no doubt bemoaned the end of American democracy, followed by the same lament during the presidencies of Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Now another Republican president is in the White House and American democracy is really really doomed!

Of course you presume that must be the case. It's the easiest way for you to discard criticisms and to stop thinking.

One incontrovertible indication of the depth of A2K right wing posters' dishonesty and vacant intellectual integrity is that I have witnessed not a single one of you face what happened in the conservative community as Trump was running for office. There is no precedent for the range of and number of educated and experienced conservative thinkers who fought to keep Trump from gaining the nomination. In our lifetimes, nothing like that had happened before. The responses to this fact from you guys has been nothing but cliches and ad hominems. "That's the establishment talking". Any such voice rising up was (and still is) thoughtlessly tossed into that category, to be discarded and ignored, no matter the person's experience or resume or past contributions to conservatism.

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@jcboy,

Do you really think backing out of the accords is going to effect any development of alternate energy here in the states? That's foolish thinking. I'm sure Elon Musk is going to throw in the towel because of this.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

One incontrovertible indication of the depth of A2K right wing posters' dishonesty and vacant intellectual integrity ...blah blah blah... The responses to this fact from you guys has been nothing but cliches and ad hominems.

You probably weren't even trying to be ironic. That's why it's funny.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Ah yes...the sinister and duplicitous capitalists!

Excuse me. What I said about Exxon's duplicity is a matter of fact, established by their own internal documents as revealed in discovery. Likewise, the tobacco companies knew for decades that their product killed and was addictive. Their internal documents acknowledged that they were providing "a nicotine delivery system". And for those decades they maintained a public posture (with the aid of highly recompensed PR firms) that their product was not a health hazard. And while this was on-going, they funded a long-running campaign to denigrate the science coming out of the medical community and to cause citizens to doubt that science. Again, all this established within their own internal communications.

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@McGentrix,

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@blatham,

Interesting. So Exxon sales tobacco? Is that why you just went on about tobacco instead of Exxon?

You conspiracy theory nuts are crazy. Rolling Eyes

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@McGentrix,

And you're deliberately obtuse, big oil has spent, and is still spending, a fortune trying to debunk global warming in much the same way the tobacco industry spent a fortune trying to discredit research into the harmful effects of smoking. It's a fairly straightforward analogy.

Btw, you've got a conspiracy nut right under your nose, yet you continue to lap up Gunga's deranged horseshit.

See, that's what irony is.

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