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Trump: The Presidency in Peril
Elizabeth Drew JUNE 22, 2017 ISSUE
If Donald Trump leaves office before four years are up, history will likely show the middle weeks of May 2017 as the turning point. Chief among his mounting problems are new revelations surrounding the question of whether Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia in its effort to tip the 2016 election. If Trump has nothing to hide, he is certainly jumpy whenever the subject comes up and his evident worry about it has caused him to make some big mistakes. The president’s troubles will continue to grow as the investigators keep on investigating and the increasingly appalled leakers keep on leaking.

NYRB

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@georgeob1,

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They failed (and apparently still fail) to acknowledge the extent to which Hillary's many lies about the e mail issue, classified material, misuse of her office for foundation contributions and some direct payments as well, together with a poorly designed campaign platform and an inept campaign affected the election outcome.

Indeed it did but don't make a pretense that it is georgeob1's brilliant insight showing thru. You are simply copying other's ideas.

And still, as bad as Clinton's lies were/are, they don't come anywhere close to the pants on fire lies of Donald Trump, in both volume and stark raving lunacy.

Kinda like yours, george.

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@camlok,

For those who were asking, there's John's betting opponent, back with his raving lunacy.

Cammie, the commie formerly known as Bobby-boy. Like his leaders, he deals exclusively in HATE.

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@blatham,

Perhaps some of the difference could be due to slavery in both the north and south and a civil war that cost 640,000 death and a million injured?

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@layman,

I agree we each were coming to the same point. I notice, but don't mind the thumbing down: I assume it is satisfying for those who appear to need it, or who can't find a more constructive or interesting way to express their views. There's more followers here (and in most places) than leaders.

Take a look at the quoted messages in Blatham's post above. The emotional intensity involved appears strangely intense. I'm also bemused by the frequent accusations of a lack of intellectual refinement on the part of their political opponents coming from many who utterly fail to demonstrate any of it on their own. Lots of self-promotion and pretense there.

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@blatham,

Bruni? where? (I've long liked him). Was that the NYT link?

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@georgeob1,

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The emotional intensity involved appears strangely intense. I'm also bemused by the frequent accusations of a lack of intellectual refinement on the part of their political opponents coming from many who utterly fail to demonstrate any of it on their own. Lots of self-promotion and pretense there.

Exactly! As a matter of fact, I made a reference to that pathetic post of Blabby's in my (next to) last post too. Crappy minds think alike!

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@blatham,

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It is obvious the republicans would cover this up if they could, The press keeps them kind of "honest"?

I'm sure the preference would be that nothing comes to light which makes it utterly impossible for them to ignore or downplay. If they can stay blind that makes life much easier and they can then continue to move towards ideological goals (which is exactly what they are doing now). So obstruction, denial, distraction are the present strategies. And yes, it is up to the press (and uncrazy people in government and within the citizenry) to keep them honesty. They won't do that themselves and we know this because they aren't.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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Trump: The Presidency in Peril
Elizabeth Drew JUNE 22, 2017 ISSUE
If Donald Trump leaves office before four years are up, history will likely show the middle weeks of May 2017 as the turning point. Chief among his mounting problems are new revelations surrounding the question of whether Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia in its effort to tip the 2016 election. If Trump has nothing to hide, he is certainly jumpy whenever the subject comes up and his evident worry about it has caused him to make some big mistakes. The president’s troubles will continue to grow as the investigators keep on investigating and the increasingly appalled leakers keep on leaking.
NYRB

Hey BLATHER...why don't you pick a date in May and take the bet. Don't be a 🐔 ****.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, Workers Say Trump ‘Misled’ Them
Why the hell should they get treatment different from everyone else?

How many of you liberals have purchased Carrier HVAC stuff? Maybe if you guys purchased more stuff, they would have more cash and not need to outsource jobs at $3.60 an hour.

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@gungasnake,

Montana's a solid Republican state and 40% of the ballots had already been cast. The assault would have had a limited effect and massive infusions of outside money bankrolling one candidate often inspire voters to choose the opponent. Quist's loss was disappointing but not all that surprising. In any case Gianforte exhibited the sort of behavior that confirms the low expectations of anti-rightists everywhere — a wealthy man, a pro-family conservative, a young earth creationist who just happens to be a thug. Of course people will vote for him...the Trumpenproletariat loves that sort of guy.

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@blatham,

My, my. You must have spent a great deal of time compiling all those twitter posts, eh, Blabby?

Well worth it though, no doubt. Any one who failed to swallow your commie-ass propaganda before is almost certainly a true believer in your righteous cause now!

How could they not be? The persuasive power of that post was simply overwhelming.

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@ossobucotemp,

Ye, that's the one, the NYT link. I made sure to print it out for you.

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@hightor,

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In any case Gianforte... just happens to be a thug.

As I have noted elsewhere [ https://able2know.org/topic/388573-1#post-6431655 ], Gianforte had every right to throw that criminal trespasser, who came busting into his private office without permission, out of his office using whatever degree of force required. The Guardian perv is the one who should have been charges with a crime.

But keep up the "thug" narrative, there, eh, Hi? It's kinda cute.

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@Brandon9000,

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Does anyone here believe that two honest people could make $100 million in 15 years just by giving speeches? Has anyone else done that in human history?

When one of them was the most popular politician of his generation and the other was also among the most admired women? Of course I believe it.

That's $50 Million each total or $3.4 Million each per year. At a quarter million a pop, they each could make one speech a month and get it covered that way.

Hell, Dubya makes $175,000 per speech and the country LOST 2.6 Million Full Time jobs the last quarter he was in office. Why shouldn't the Clintons make a little more?

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@RABEL222,

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Perhaps some of the difference could be due to slavery in both the north and south and a civil war that cost 640,000 death and a million injured?

One of the points here that Gopnik and the historians he cites delve into is the Civil War because of course that's critically important in US history. Likewise slavery. So I do recommend a close read of the piece.

My particular focus has been on a common type of myth/origin story in US culture. Unlike the US, Canada (or Australia as another instance Gopnik notes and we could add New Zealand here) did not have a violent break with Britain. That seems very important. The US became a break-away entity and thus had to define itself in a manner that promoted certain ideas and values. It had to define itself as not just different from Britain but superior to it or evolved past it. And those are key elements in the myth/origin stories. There was no social/cultural need for Canada or Australia/NZ to do this.

Let me give another similar type of case - religious splinter groups. In every case I know of, these splinter groups define themselves in a similar manner - they are closer to the "true faith" than what they break from and are thus superior to it. Ask a Lutheran. An interesting aspect here in US history is that while the nation was under-going this process, some religious groups in the US were as well. The Great Awakening was such a phenomenon.

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@ossobucotemp,

Yes. The extended piece that hightor quoted.

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@Blickers,

The Clinton's didn't just "make" 100 million. Their current net worth is said to be in the $100+ million range (about $150 million, I heard) but it's only that "low" because they have blown hundreds of millions as they went (what with all of Bill's trips to "lolita island," and ****). Of course there were also some heavy criminal fines to pay, AFTER paying laywer's fees, too. They have got their grubby little mitts ("made" if ya wanna call it that) on hundreds of millions since entering politics as "public servants."

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@layman,

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There aint enough of their snobby "elite" voters to win elections, but they aint got no clue about how to appeal to anyone else.

That's the problem--they DON'T appeal to anyone else. Their PC-driven identity politics can get them some minority and special interest votes, sure, but that aint NEVER gunna cut it with the average American.

In the Montana election yesterday, the Republican candidate won by 6 points. Last year, Trump had still won the state by over 20 points. If the Republican candidates do that much worse than Trump '16 in the mid-terms, the Democrats win back the House. Even if you give the Republican incumbents a 3-point incumbency advantage, the Democrats still win back the House.

Will that actually happen? Eh, who the **** knows. A year and a half to go is a long time. But if the Dems come within 6 points in Montana, they're doing pretty well with the average American. If the Dems come within 7 points in a Kansas district which Trump had won by 16 -- as they did last month -- they're not doing so badly with the average American. If the Dems win a state Assembly district on Long Island which Trump had still won by 23 points -- as they did last weekend -- they're not doing so badly with the average American.

The average American doesn't live in Kansas or Montana. The average American lives in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Florida. If Dems are getting within 7 points in districts in Montana and Kansas, they're getting way, way more than "some minority and special interest votes", and looking pretty competitive for 2018.

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@nimh,

Yeah, well, hope springs eternal, they say, eh, Nimh? You may be overlooking the fact that, by 2018, Trump will have eliminated millions of illegal non-citizen voters from the registration rolls, eh?

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