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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 01:56 pm
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
An anonymous characterization of a sentence isn't evidence. If this really happened, why, after all this investigation, are there no hard facts, no witnesses willing to testify?
Of course it is "evidence", it is just not nearly adequate to establish the truth of things. Much other evidence will be required to resolve what happened.

In any case, at this point it is a bit silly to argue about this. Investigations by the relevant justice/intel/congressional bodies are underway along with the work reporters are doing (as happened with the Watergate fiasco which took about two years in total). Perhaps you are or want to argue that the press shouldn't be covering these matters but it is often the case that such reporting is absolutely necessary to force matters into the open and to force deeper levels of investigation from authorities (again, as with Watergate).
ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:02 pm
@blatham,
I'm going to make it one of my New Yorker allowed clicks. Nag me if I fail to post back after some days (I know, I know, this is my job, not anyone else's).
blatham
 
  5  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:06 pm
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
Does anyone here believe that two honest people could make $100 million in 15 years just by giving speeches?
First, who has made that claim? They obviously have investment portfolios, they have both written books, likely Bill has done consulting work, etc.

Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck make about that much money in four years. Sarah Palin made 12 million in the first year or two after walking away from the governorship.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:07 pm
@ossobucotemp,
OK, I will do so.
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hightor
 
  7  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:18 pm
(Lots of good links and pics on the web page)

Quote:
Our golden-haired leader is no silver-tongued devil, but that’s O.K. What he lacks in verbal zingers he makes up for with physical ones.

Body language — both his and that of the pitiable people around him — is telling the story of Donald Trump’s foreign adventure better than anything else.

When I say “pitiable,” I’m thinking about the pope, of course, and the first lady, naturally, but especially Dusko Markovic, the prime minister of Montenegro, who was the visibly stunned victim of the shove heard round the world.

Please tell me you saw it. Markovic, Trump and other heads of state were arranging themselves for a photograph. And Markovic had the misfortune to be standing between Trump and the front of the pack, a lesser beauty in the bossy prom queen’s path.

But not for long! Trump batted him out of the way, perhaps mistaking him for a political reporter or picturing James Comey. Then, triumphal, Trump straightened his suit jacket, stiffened his posture and raised his fleshy chin. He was ready for his close-up.

(...)

With Trump, struts, scowls and pouts reveal every bit as much as what tumbles from his lips, which is a lot less trustworthy. His words can be counterfeit. His gestures are genuine. So it only makes sense that we lean on them for the narrative of his post-truth presidency, whose latest, foreign chapter brimmed with more awkward physicality than a toddlers’ gymnastics class.

The shove heard round the world was preceded by the curtsy heard round the world, when Trump did precisely what he maligned President Obama for — well, one of the countless things he maligned President Obama for — and approached Saudi Arabia’s monarch, King Salman, in a pose of deference. Hypocrisy, thy name is Trump, and thy knees are bent and thy head is bowed.

Thy sense of rhythm doesn’t exist. Did you see him during that Saudi dance, not so much rattling his saber as dangling it while he wobbled, like a Weeble, from side to side? I imagined the following dialogue balloon above his head: “When I told the king I was a swordsman, this wasn’t what I meant.”

And the dialogue balloon above Pope Francis’s head when he posed with Trump in Vatican City later in the week would have said: “Forgive me, Father, for I cannot fake delight.” I’ve been told by Vatican insiders that the pope never forgets that he’s on camera and that the precise angle of his eyes and curl of his lips are being captured. He stared straight ahead, his mien as joyless as a gulag.

George Bernard Shaw wrote a play titled “Arms and the Man.” Someday somebody will write a Trump biography titled “Hands and the Man.”

From Spy magazine’s long-ago caricature of Trump as a “short-fingered vulgarian” to that unforgettable moment during a Republican presidential debate when he displayed his digits to try to prove the opposite — Look, Ma, big hands! — his paws have been at center stage.

That remained true on the trip. In Israel, there was the swat heard round the world, when, walking alongside Bibi Netanyahu across a red carpet, he noticed that Netanyahu was holding his wife’s hand and so reached back for Melania’s.

(...)

To say that she withheld it would be an understatement. To say that Twitter and comedians had a field day would be even more of one.

(...)

After another, subsequent incident in Rome when Melania seemed to decline the heady opportunity to hold her husband’s hand, Seth Meyers, the host of “Late Night,” joked: “Former C.I.A. Director John Brennan testified today that there was contact between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials. However, still no contact between Donald and Melania.”

(...)

There’s so much she could still be smarting over, including the inauguration back in January, when her husband bounded out of the car and up the steps before her, rushing to greet the Obamas and leaving her in his wake.

Courtesy: absent. Chivalry: dead. Her revenge came soon after, on the inaugural stage. She let a smile at her husband drop from her face so quickly and emphatically that it was like an announcement to the world that she’d been wearing a mask.

But back to our president’s paws, which aren’t just at center stage but also at the center of so much controversy. When Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany visited him in Washington in mid-March, there was debate over whether he denied her a handshake that she’d suggested or simply didn’t hear her request.

The tension in their postures prompted observations about how much more relaxed she and Obama always seemed, but there was another point of comparison — a weirder one — if President George W. Bush came into the picture. At a G8 summit meeting in St. Petersburg in 2006, he walked up behind Merkel, who was seated, and massaged her shoulders. This visibly surprised her. It didn’t seem to amuse her much, either.

Amusement wasn’t a word that popped to mind when you saw pictures and read accounts of Trump’s encounters with Emmanuel Macron, the newly elected president of France, in Brussels on Thursday. Maybe that’s because Trump was once again sowing doubt about his commitment to NATO. Or maybe that’s because he reportedly told Macron that he’d supported him, even though his affections had clearly been for Marine Le Pen of the National Front.

(...)

Whichever the case, Macron at one point seemed to swerve away from Trump, despite Trump’s outstretch arms, so he could embrace Merkel instead.

At another point, during a formal greeting, Macron and Trump “ grabbed each other’s hands, jaws clenched, in an extended grip that turned Mr. Trump’s knuckles white,” according to The Times.

“Their faces tightened,” reported The Washington Post. “Trump reached in first, but then he tried to release, twice, but Macron kept his grip.”

Sacred texts have received less scrupulous analysis than Trump’s foreign-leader handshakes, his presidential-debate snorts (remember those?) and the reactions — aghast, awe-struck, puzzled, peeved — of those who bump up against (or happen to be married to) him.

I think that’s fitting, not just because his actual speech is so honesty-challenged but also because the analyzers are paying respect to the way he takes in information. He prefers television to reading, images to pesky words. Shouldn’t we return the favor when appraising him?

(...)

And aren’t we in the right to take note of an Israeli diplomat’s physical reaction when Trump said, in Israel, “We just got back from the Middle East,” as if Israel were in South America or something? The diplomat, Ron Dermer, briefly buried his head in one of his hands.

Do cry for us, Montenegro.

NYT
hightor
 
  7  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:27 pm
Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, Workers Say Trump ‘Misled’ Them
layman
 
  -3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 02:34 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Yeah, philosopher, like that explains your assertions.


There is no need, and in your case absolutely no purpose to be served, to explain my assertions AGAIN, just because you were incapable of comprehending them the first time. Posters with comprehension abilities don't need to have things repeated.

I get it that you don't get it. I don't anticipate that you ever will, at this point.

But I'll break down and briefly reiterate the point, anyway.

Finn did not in any way suggest, imply, or argue that YOU subscribed to UFO or 9/11 "conspiracy theories." You misunderstood him completely, as is typical. He did not make any "strawman" arguments against your position.
You can't see or understand that because you're not capable of it.

As my Mama used to say: "Looky here, layboy, ya just can't put 10 gallons of **** into no 5 gallon bucket."
camlok
 
  1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 03:04 pm
@layman,
Quote:
As my Mama used to say: "Looky here, layboy, ya just can't put 10 gallons of **** into no 5 gallon bucket."


She just severely underestimated your abilities, layman, 'cause you do that regularly.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 03:14 pm
@blatham,
The History of London literally starts with Brutus and the Trojan war and only begins to coalesce into actual history much later.
camlok
 
  -2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 03:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
and only begins to coalesce into actual history much later.


Bullocks!
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 03:32 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/montana-special-election.html?_r=0

Quote:
BOZEMAN, Mont. — The Democratic defeat in a hard-fought special House election in Montana on Thursday highlighted the practical limitations on liberal opposition to President Trump and exposed a deepening rift between cautious party leaders, who want to pick their shots in battling for control of Congress in 2018, and more militant grass-roots activists who want to fight the Republicans everywhere.

Rob Quist, the Democratic nominee in Montana, staked his campaign on the Republican health care bill, but he still lost by six percentage points, even after his Republican opponent for the state’s lone House seat, Greg Gianforte, was charged with assaulting a reporter on the eve of the election.

layman
 
  -1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 04:51 pm
@gungasnake,
A rather surprising article coming from the NYT. Here's a couple more excerpts:

Quote:
Liberals Wanted a Fight in Montana. Democratic Leaders Saw a Lost Cause.

This tension — between party leaders who will not compete for seats they think they cannot win and an energized base loath to concede any contests to Republicans — risks demoralizing activists who keep getting their hopes up.

It also points to a painful reality for Democrats: Despite the boiling fury on the left, the resistance toward Mr. Trump has yet to translate into a major electoral victory.

House Democratic officials make no apology for their prudence, believing they are more likely to claim the 24 seats needed to capture the House majority in suburban districts with highly educated voters, where anger at Mr. Trump runs high.

But other Democrats acknowledged that they must work harder to make inroads with voters who live far beyond major cities and their suburbs, if they want to pick up seats like the one Mr. Gianforte just captured.

“Democrats have to compete in Western states and rural areas,” said Tom Lopach, a Democratic strategist and former chief of staff to Mr. Tester. “For Democrats to have a governing majority, they have to listen to folks in rural America.”

But Mr. Crowley said that his party’s approach to competing in rural areas was a work in progress, and that Democrats were still honing a positive message on the economy and jobs ahead of the 2018 campaign.


They sound terribly confused and divided, eh? There aint enough of their snobby "elite" voters to win elections, but they aint got no clue about how to appeal to anyone else.

That's the problem--they DON'T appeal to anyone else. Their PC-driven identity politics can get them some minority and special interest votes, sure, but that aint NEVER gunna cut it with the average American.
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:02 pm
@hightor,
I heard Bruni in discussion with Gail Collins some months ago. He's a very smart dude. And this piece is so well written. Thanks for posting it!
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:04 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, Workers Say Trump ‘Misled’ Them
Why the hell should they get treatment different from everyone else?
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:08 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The History of London literally starts with Brutus and the Trojan war and only begins to coalesce into actual history much later.
I'm sure the Lathams played a significant part in that story.
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layman
 
  1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:22 pm
A2K is kinda a microcosm of society, and observations here reveal that the main problem the cheese-eaters have is their intolerant, inflexible ideological approach to every issue, and their arrogant belief that they are right, and others just HAVE to see that.

In this thread, virtually every cheese-eater puts every strong opponent of their agenda on "ignore," so that they can all just tell each other how right they are, and fool themselves into actually believing it.

They tolerate a few of the more "mild-mannered" conservatives, but that's mainly so they can have somebody to "gang-up" against and shout down--again proving to themselves that they are in possession of indisputable truth.

They don't listen because they don't want to listen. They don't want any "input," they just want to chant their mantras in peace. As a consequence, they never know why they lose elections. But they do know that it's not because of anything they believe or the policies they advocate. They are just always RIGHT, dammit!

"Then why aint I ahead by 50 points in the polls, you may ask!?" Hillary shouts. Then she answers her own question: It's all because not enough people have been persuaded to hate Trump, so the slander against him MUST intensify.

A real appealing "message," there, sho nuff.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:29 pm
@layman,
Trump is certainly an unconventional President who frequently makes statements apparently without thinking through the consequences, or some aspects of the issues he addresses. In contrast , he also has appointed some very capable people and identified some long ignored important issues. It's hard to know if the resulting media furor over all this is a net plus or setback for him. Those who oppose him can find new reasons, or reported examples of issues exciting their opposition nearly every day. At the same time, Trump supporters , seeing the sometimes mindless piling on and fault finding over what is often trivia, become even more entrenched in their support. Which effect is greater? Opinions abound, but there is little objective evidence that I can see,

My impression of the last election is that Trump surely won the Republican primary (from a very large field) with his very unconventional methods and message. However it was the Democrats and their candidate who lost the final election. They failed (and apparently still fail) to acknowledge the extent to which Hillary's many lies about the e mail issue, classified material, misuse of her office for foundation contributions and some direct payments as well, together with a poorly designed campaign platform and an inept campaign affected the election outcome.

One, perhaps secondary effect is fairly clear. The fixation of Democrats and their media supporters on their much despised political opponent has so far reinforced their distraction and denial about the Presidential (and Congressional) elections they lost last November, and the reasons for it. The long term effects of this on Democrat political fortunes could very well be very significant. They have not given the public a reason to vote for them, and persist in a fixation on their opponent that often appears to occupy all their energy and action. That's not a way to win.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:37 pm
The latest in our "Reading Conservatives" series
Steve Schmidt ✔ @SteveSchmidtSES
Quote:
The Mt incident is one more example of the rotten, fetid and corrupt culture that has metastasized around an intellectually bankrupt GOP 1/3
10:26 AM - 25 May 2017

Steve Schmidt ✔ @SteveSchmidtSES
And conservative movement. The rotten culture is derivative of an epic leadership deficit on the part of the GOP's elected leaders 2/3
10:28 AM - 25 May 2017

Steve Schmidt ✔ @SteveSchmidtSES
And the voices of the conservative media complex.The disintegration of the conservative movement and GOP on a moral and values basis is ....
10:31 AM - 25 May 2017

Steve Schmidt ✔ @SteveSchmidtSES
Not just tragic but terrible for the country . The work of restoring trust , credibility and decency will take many years
10:32 AM - 25 May 2017


Quote:
Rick Wilson ✔ @TheRickWilson
1/ This Gianforte assault story is one of those moments where the cultural collapse of the GOP into the Trump Troll Party is captured
5:16 AM - 25 May 2017


From National Review's Mona Charen
Quote:
The age of Trump has corrupted a great many people and shattered norms. Those whose moral compass has long since been stashed in the bottom drawer defending the indefensible piled on to applaud Gianforte's thuggishness. ... None of this is a gray area. You either uphold certain basic standards of decency or you don't.


From Charlie Sykes, conservative, former talk show host
Quote:
Every time something like Montana happens, Republicans adjust their standards and put an emphasis on team loyalty. They normalize and accept previously unacceptable behavior.


And as I noted earlier, from Michael Gerson
Quote:
Those conservatives who believe that the confirmation of Justice Neil M. Gorsuch is sufficient justification for the Trump presidency are ignoring Trump's psychic and moral destruction of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Clinton, with a small number of changed votes, would have defeated Republicans. But Trump is doing a kind of harm beyond anything Clinton could have done. He is changing the party's most basic moral and political orientations.


And from Jennifer Rubin
Quote:
Conventional wisdom says that Trump executed a hostile takeover of the GOP. What we have seen this week suggests a friendly merger has taken place. Talk radio hosts have been spouting misogyny and anti-immigrant hysteria for years; Trump is their ideal leader, not merely a flawed vehicle for their views. Fox News has been dabbling in conspiracy theories (e.g. birtherism, climate-change denial) for decades; now Republicans practice intellectual nihilism. Nearly every point of criticism raised against the left — softness on foreign aggressors, irresponsible budgeting, identity politics, executive overreach, contempt for the rule of law, infantilizing voters — has become a defining feature of the right.
US News
layman
 
  0  
Fri 26 May, 2017 05:38 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The fixation of Democrats and their media supporters on their much despised political opponent has so far reinforced their distraction and denial about the Presidential (and Congressional) elections they lost last November, and the reasons for it... They have not given the public a reason to vote for them, and persist in a fixation on their opponent that often appears to occupy all their energy and action. That's not a way to win.


Yeah, George. While you were composing this post, I was composing another (above) and I think we make many of the same points in our own way.

I think we tend to agree on a lot of things (that's mainly why we both get so many "downvotes" in this thread).
layman
 
  0  
Fri 26 May, 2017 06:04 pm
@georgeob1,
When 2 out of 3 Americans, including more than half of democrats themselves, agree that the MSM publishes a "significant amount" of "fake news," then you'd think these cheese-eaters might begin to realize that their exclusive devotion to attacking Trump aint the right way to attract supporters.

But they'll NEVER see that. I mean, just look at Blabby's last post. It just aint in em. Their ideology assures them that they're always on the right path, always doing the "right" thing.
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