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revelette1
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 07:52 am
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FBI investigators have a simple reason for believing Jared Kushner can help them determine whether President Trump's campaign helped Russia influence the presidential election: Kushner met with senior Russians during the campaign.

And while it's not weird for presidential campaigns to meet with foreign officials, under this context, it was.

Right around the time Trump's son-in-law and top adviser held a meeting with the Russian ambassador to the United States last spring, the CIA director started to notice something weird: The Russians were talking about actively, aggressively trying to influence the U.S. presidential election against Hillary Clinton.

John Brennan, who was CIA director at the time, then started to notice that the Russians were reaching out to Trump campaign officials. His “radar” went off. Here's what he told Congress in a hearing about Russian meddling on Tuesday:

“Having been involved in many counterintelligence cases in the past, I know what the Russians try to do. They try to suborn individuals, and they try to get individuals, including U.S. persons, to try to act on their behalf, either wittingly or unwittingly. And I was worried by a number of contacts that the Russians had with U.S. persons. And so therefore, by the time I left office on January 20, I had unresolved questions in my mind as to whether or not the Russians had been successful in getting U.S. persons involved in the campaign or not to work on their behalf, again, either in a witting or unwitting fashion. And so, therefore, I felt as though the FBI investigation was certainly well-founded and needed to look into those issues.”

In other words: When the Russians want to spy or meddle in other nations' affairs, their go-to move is to find people from that nation to cuddle up with — or to blackmail, if it gets to that.

When the director of the CIA realized that the Russians wanted to influence the U.S. election, he knew to keep an eye out for Russians reaching out to people tied to the election. And sure enough, Brennan said, Russian officials started holding meetings with members of the Trump campaign.

Michael Flynn. Kushner. Now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions. They all met with Russian officials at some point, and CNN and the New York Times, respectively, have reported that Sessions and Kushner did not disclose their meetings with Russians on their security-clearance forms. A security clearance is required before a person can be privy to the nation's top secrets. Other members of Trump's campaign already had deep ties to Russia, among them former campaign manager Paul Manafort and adviser Carter Page.

And it's fair to say that U.S. investigators would have been very intrigued to see then-candidate Trump's son-in-law, one of his closest advisers, receiving meetings with Russians. This is a member of Trump's inner circle, as close as you can get without meeting with the candidate himself. Not to mention that Kushner is family. Going back to April 2016, we know Kushner met at least twice with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, and a Moscow banker.

That's not to say meeting with the Russians equates to colluding with the Russians.

Brennan emphasized to the House Intelligence Committee: “These are contacts that might have been totally, totally innocent and benign as well as those that might have succumbed somehow to those Russian efforts.”
“Many times they know that individuals may be Russian officials,” he said later, speaking broadly about how Russians use people, “but they don't know that there is an intelligence connection or an intelligence motive behind it.”


WP
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 07:55 am
@revelette1,
Get well!
revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 07:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks, it was short lived I'm better. For some reason, this year, things of nature seems to be up more than usual. We've even had school closings over so many people getting sick.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 07:58 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
The US government takes full responsibility for the leaked information on the police investigation into the Manchester bombings, Rex Tillerson has said.

The American Secretary of State made a snap visit to the UK after the intelligence dispute between the two countries threatened to escalate into a diplomatic row.
...
"We take full responsibility for that and we obviously regret that that happened," Mr Tillerson said as he met with Boris Johnson.
Source

blatham
 
  2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 08:20 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I've been out with a stomach flue just 24 hours, I miss a lot it seems.
Glad to hear you're better already. But yeah, there's so much chaos right now that lots can happen in a short period. Last week I was away from the news much of the time (another fellow and I are retrofitting the local ambulance fleet with power-lifts to load stretcher/patient into the vehicles) and I got home each night to an avalanche of stuff.
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blatham
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 08:35 am
There's a thesis I've been pushing (and thinking about, obviously) for quite a few years - that in many important ways America has not been well-served in its revolution against Britain. I began thinking about this in trying to figure out why the US has so many foundational myth stories whereas Canada has really almost nothing of the sort. We have nothing like "the redcoats are coming!", the Tea Party rebellion, Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, "I regret I have but one life to give for my country", Johnny Appleseed, etc etc. And because both nations' origins and settlement patterns are really so similar, this struck me as very curious.

I just bumped into a brilliant piece by Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker that addresses precisely the questions and ideas I've been interested in. I've not finished reading it yet but I highly recommend this piece.
Quote:
WE COULD HAVE BEEN CANADA
Was the American Revolution such a good idea?

And what if it was a mistake from the start? The Declaration of Independence, the American Revolution, the creation of the United States of America—what if all this was a terrible idea, and what if the injustices and madness of American life since then have occurred not in spite of the virtues of the Founding Fathers but because of them? The Revolution, this argument might run, was a needless and brutal bit of slaveholders’ panic mixed with Enlightenment argle-bargle, producing a country that was always marked for violence and disruption and demagogy. Look north to Canada, or south to Australia, and you will see different possibilities of peaceful evolution away from Britain, toward sane and whole, more equitable and less sanguinary countries. No revolution, and slavery might have ended, as it did elsewhere in the British Empire, more peacefully and sooner. No “peculiar institution,” no hideous Civil War and appalling aftermath. Instead, an orderly development of the interior—less violent, and less inclined to celebrate the desperado over the peaceful peasant. We could have ended with a social-democratic commonwealth that stretched from north to south, a near-continent-wide Canada.

The thought is taboo, the Revolution being still sacred in its self-directed propaganda.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/15/we-could-have-been-canada
InfraBlue
 
  5  
Fri 26 May, 2017 09:49 am
@layman,
Yeah, philosopher, like that explains your assertions.

Your pig keeps flying, wickless tealight.
InfraBlue
 
  6  
Fri 26 May, 2017 10:07 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Now, there's the revelation that he instructed his director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and his director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, to publicly deny the existence of evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.

Really? Where does this claim come from?


According to the article that I linked, the claim comes from "two current and two former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private communications with the president."

1. Interesting that the NYT has the memo yet keeps it hidden rather than printing it.

According to the article, "Mr. Comey shared the existence of the memo with senior F.B.I. officials and close associates. The New York Times has not viewed a copy of the memo, which is unclassified, but one of Mr. Comey’s associates read parts of it to a Times reporter."

Brandon9000 wrote:
2. Unnamed sources. That proves it's true.

Right. We'll see what results from the investigation.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 10:30 am
@blatham,
I don't think I agree with all that. From what I understand, we "colonials" were way over taxed without representation. I am personally glad we had the American revolution. I like being American. That does not mean I like the present time, I don't, by a long shot.
revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 10:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
We were probably in a big hurry to start the "terrorist" meme to get away from our present news. I think I read, they have already arrested some of the terrorist responsible?
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ehBeth
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 10:54 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
US has so many foundational myth stories whereas Canada has really almost nothing of the sort. We have nothing like "the redcoats are coming!", the Tea Party rebellion, Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, "I regret I have but one life to give for my country", Johnny Appleseed, etc etc.


you didn't grow up in Loyalist country in Sir John A's hometown

southern Ontario/Quebec/Maritimes ... jam-packed with foundational stories

jobs still come more easily in some communities if you've got UEL connections

people talk about Laura Secord like she lived next door

The Royal George means something

http://www.pec.on.ca/lpa/plaques.htm

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when I tell people who grew up with me where mrs hamburgboy is buried - they know exactly where it is - because I define it in relation to Sir John A's grave.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 11:24 am
@blatham,
Our foundation myths really are that. Joseph of Arimathea sailed to Glastonbury with Christ and the Holy Grail. You can visit King Arthur's grave and the Glastonbury thorn that came into being when Joseph's staff suddenly took root.

Then there's London, established by Brutus, or Brute of Troy, a legendary descendant of the Trojan hero Aeneas.
camlok
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 12:37 pm
@revelette1,
Of course you like being American.It has been drummed into you as a desirable thing. But it's easy to tell from the rank and relentless braggadocio that it is all the flimsiest of canards.

"From what I understand" really tells it all, doesn't it?

How can anyone like being part of a war mongering "country" that has been at war over 90% of its years in existence?

How can anyone like being part of a war mongering country that has slaughtered tens of millions of innocents simply to steal bread from the mouths of children?

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camlok
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 12:40 pm
@ehBeth,
Regardless of what you say, there clearly is not the widespread myth making that the USA has. Not only have they been spread to Americans, these myths are wide known.

Even Hitler fancied many of them. It, it being the USA is one gigantic myth.
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blatham
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 01:37 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
I don't think I agree with all that.
Not sure if you are referring to what I wrote or what Gopnik (and the historians he references) have written. But in any case, sure, these are highly complex matters and any such thesis has to be held as tentative. One certainly doesn't have to buy it all. But Canada and the US have evolved in very different ways and, somehow, those differences ought to be accounted for.
blatham
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 01:43 pm
@ehBeth,
As I was writing that, I wondered if you might toss in some local perspective (and I have a dim recollection we might have spoken about this years ago). I think some myth/foundational stories are inevitable (such stories exist regarding my home town and the Fraser River Valley, for example).

But it is significant that such stories as you reference did not travel nation-wide or even close to that. Also, would you agree that in this respect Canada and the US have marked differences?

PS... when you get a chance, Gopnik's piece is very interesting.
Brandon9000
 
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Fri 26 May, 2017 01:45 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
And if they quote any other section of that memo, you won't believe them anymore than you believe the section they quoted. Got it...

No easy way out for you. If I see evidence, I will believe it. An anonymous characterization of a sentence isn't evidence. If this really happened, why, after all this investigation, are there no hard facts, no witnesses willing to testify?
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 26 May, 2017 01:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Our foundation myths really are that. Joseph of Arimathea sailed to Glastonbury with Christ and the Holy Grail. You can visit King Arthur's grave and the Glastonbury thorn that came into being when Joseph's staff suddenly took root.

Then there's London, established by Brutus, or Brute of Troy, a legendary descendant of the Trojan hero Aeneas.
Wow. Ain't that interesting. Humans definitely are story-tellers. What I find interesting in this is the social function that such stories fill and how the content gives clues to those functions. That's what Gopnik is pointing to in the sentence I bolded.
Brandon9000
 
  -1  
Fri 26 May, 2017 01:50 pm
Does anyone here believe that two honest people could make $100 million in 15 years just by giving speeches? Has anyone else done that in human history?
camlok
 
  -3  
Fri 26 May, 2017 01:56 pm
@Brandon9000,
First, you obviously are discussing former US politicians; so you would have to show that you could find two honest people within that group.

And then, if you did, the answer would of course be NO, it is not possible because US politicians are hired to keep the propaganda flow going, not tell the truth.
 

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