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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:06 pm
@ossobucotemp,
God knows why but it seems likely that Trump trusts only those who he is very familiar with. His abstract thinking skills are not what one might expect in a super genius.
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glitterbag
 
  5  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:06 pm
@blatham,
Damn, you made me laugh.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:18 pm
Brian Beutler on the CBO score
Quote:
Republicans promised their health bill wouldn’t hurt the poor or people with pre-existing conditions. CBO disagrees. The long-awaited Congressional Budget Office analysis of the American Health Care Act has arrived and it unsurprisingly underscores just how dishonest the Republican sales job of the bill has been.
We’ll have a more thorough analysis soon, but at a top-line level:

Republicans promised millions of people would not lose their health insurance; CBO says 14 million will within a year, and 23 million will over ten years.
Republicans promised not to gut the Affordable Care Act’s protections for people with pre-existing conditions, and even boasted that AHCA would bolster those protections; CBO concludes that AHCA would destroy pre-existing conditions protections for about one-sixth of the population. “[P]eople who are less healthy (including those with preexisting or newly acquired medical conditions) would ultimately be unable to purchase comprehensive nongroup health insurance at premiums comparable to those under current law, if they could purchase it at all,” in those states.
Republicans insisted Medicaid beneficiaries would not lose coverage under their plan. CBO estimates that AHCA will cause 14 million people to lose their Medicaid benefits, relative to current law, after ten years.
So steady yourself for a new round of baseless attacks on the anonymous bearers of bad news at CBO.
NR
The origins of this bill does not sit with Trump. This is long-standing modern conservative ideology - the wealthy are deserving of reward and the poor are deserving of whatever ugly fate befalls them and government has no proper role in alleviating such misery.

But as Trump is nominally the guy in charge, yes, he sure as hell is responsible. And that he clearly does not care at all that his earlier promises were merely a means of gaining the WH and had no actual place in his wishes comes as no surprise to anyone who did not get conned by him.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:25 pm
@glitterbag,
I have an inexplicable affinity for Barstow. Partly it is the Route 66 thing and partly "We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold" and partly Gertrude Stein's "there's no there, there" (which may have actually been in reference to Oakland) but which so perfectly applies to Barstow. I once heard a comic tell a gag about a place like that. He said, "It was so small that the tourist shop had postcards with pictures of the tourist shop".

blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:28 pm
Proud winner of this week's No ****, Sherlock award (from Emily Atkin at New Republic)
Quote:
Let’s all pray the Pope gave Trump a CliffsNotes version of his climate encyclical.

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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:38 pm
@blatham,
Ah, Barstow, stopped there overnight the time I moved to Abq. Good time to go through there, it was - late December.

On the papal visit, good for Francis and the gifted copy of the encyclical: maybe that will be promoted elsewhere via this news bite, not just to catholics, whether Trump throws it out or not.
hightor
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:38 pm
@blatham,
"Don't forget Winona!"
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:42 pm
@hightor,
I actually had to look that up. Some hippy I am.
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:48 pm
@blatham,
Tell me, tell me...

(kids I grew up with had relatives in Winona, Minnesota; also, I'm older than the hippies..)
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 03:58 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
On the papal visit, good for Francis and the gifted copy of the encyclical: maybe that will be promoted elsewhere via this news bite, not just to catholics, whether Trump throws it out or not.
The chances any right wing media outlet is going to inform their audience properly about this document are seriously ungood.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:04 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
also, I'm older than the hippies..)
That's OK. I'm shorter than they are.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

PDF, roger. Please post your verified TBS/SCT 330-60e and you'll get it on a daily basis.


I doubt your viewing habits would really require a security clearance. I can set you up with a dropbox easy enough though.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:11 pm
By the by, the TV series I Love Dick is extraordinarily wonderful. One fundamental reason is that it is very much a production done by women, and damned smart women at that.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:14 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I Love Dick ... extraordinarily wonderful.


Too easy, sorry. Had to be done.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:20 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

So he's asking them to lie, or drop the investigation. You can't have it both ways, there's enough evidence, hearsay or circumstantial, to warrant an investigation and until the investigation is concluded they don't know.

What Trump did was highly questionable at the very least, then you add both his and Flynn's lies into the mix, Trump's cackhanded attempts to shut down the investigation, Comey's sacking, Flynn cowering behind the 5th amendment and Trump whining about being persecuted, you'd have to be lacking a sense of smell not to conclude that something stinks big time.


Well, clearly he didn't ask them to drop the investigation. At least not based on any of the allegations from unconfirmed sources. If you know otherwise, provide us with evidence.

He only "lied" if there is evidence that he did collude with the Russians and I know that you don't have any such proof, because no one does.

So we are left with you distorting the facts to serve the narrative you and the Opposition want to advance.

I'm not trying to have it anyway but truthful.

The investigation should proceed, but only ideological assholes have determined what the result of the investigation will, beforehand, be.

Fortunately, in this country at least, innuendo and the sense of smell of partisans, doesn't get people convicted.

If you believe he's guilty that's fine. You are under no obligation to offer proof for your opinions. If you can't (and you can't) then very few people will or should buy your nonsense, but in any case neither your opinion nor any other in this forum can convict anyone, let alone the president of the United States.

blatham
 
  3  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:20 pm
Quote:
Trump: My bill protects people with preexisting conditions. CBO: No, it doesn’t.
Vox
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:22 pm
@Olivier5,
What is speculative and smokey?

Brennan's testimony?

I agree completely.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:25 pm
@blatham,
Your argument seems to be that in the absence of a monster like Cheney, the CIA is always 100% reliable in it's assertions. Rolling Eyes

Even you don't believe that...unless of course it suits the nonsense you are trying to sell.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:26 pm
Quote:
SWAMP CREATURES
Pro-Trumpcare Republicans Owned Millions in Health-Care Stock
Forty lawmakers who voted for AHCA had more than $23 million in investments and made more than $2 million in profit. And some of the most heavily invested cast key votes.
DailyBeast
If you can't use political office to fill up your bank account, "liberty" no longer has any meaning at all.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 24 May, 2017 04:33 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I have been trying to ignore it.


Not very successfully. Please try harder.

You like blatham are trying to make one of the most intellectually inconsistent and dishonest arguments I've seen here.

Despite the long history of liberal Democrats ranting about the excesses of the CIA, now when an ex-CIA director alleges something you want to believe, the agency is a paragon of honesty.

Frank Church is rolling over in his grave.

Damn but those honest guys in the CIA who were helping the Contras run drugs, who funded Death Squads in Central America and who engineered the murder of Chile's Allende would never, on their own, have disseminate false information about Iraqi WMDs unless an evil monster like Cheney forced them to.

Your selective memory and assignment of morality is truly pathetic.
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