A2K Politics Forum/Where are Our Politically Savvy Women?

I agree, after the Clinton witch trial, why would anyone complain about Bush's critics, after millions were spent by Mellon and others, digging up anything they could find, manufacturing it where they couldn't and generally trying to overturn the will of the voters of the U.S. I only hope Bush's critics will use the ballot box to return Bush to nowheresville where he belongs, righting the wrongs forced on the American public by the trickery the Republicans stooped to in the 2000 election. I don't like Bush for several reasons, his puppet behavior for one, and his support of the meanest constituency (the religious right) on the American political scene in years, and their anti-choice, anti-everything-fun agenda. And his present behavior is not one bit different than his behavior for as long as I've known him, which is a long time. I don't trust him and I don't like him. I would be happy to be convinced otherwise, but so far, the evidence has been consistent, 100 percent.

Now, don't call me opinionated......just strongly convicted. :wink:

If Bush makes it into a second term, that's enough time to do the research and deliver his own personal little scandal. Nobody is that pure.

IMO, there some of the most obnoxious, narrow, and unbendingly opinionated people are those who are the "true believers" of the world, the ones who honestly feel that they have found the "right" path after a early life of dissolution.

It is as if to prove to themselves that they have changed, these people swing wildly in the opposite direction. To take a reasonable middle ground is too risky and frightening. For some it has to be an either/or proposition, lest they fear returning to their former "wicked" ways.

following WWII the US government was interested in what features of a society lead to fascism. through studies conducted in several major universities one common theme immerged. Those persons with a low tolerance for ambiguity were the most likely to adopt fascist ideologies. In simple terms, people who demand black and white answers to gray questions are most likely to become fascists.
Just ask a member of the KKK to define the difference between black and white and you will get a very clear answer in spite of the fact that there is no such thing as Black and White in people, only various shades of "flesh".

dys... YES that is it precisely

...with a little ambiguity thrown in as a protective measure....

Not fair, Boss. I've "found the right path" after my youthful indiscretions and dissipate behavior. Then again, i didn't "twelve-step it" or otherwise buy into any "this way is the only right way" method in order to clean up my act. My "right path" is to keep sober, to try to be a good man, to mind no one's business but my own, and not to let others mind my business.

I know what your point about the self-righteousness of the convert is, and agree with it. I wanted to point out though, that there are a good many people who exchange noisy desparation for quiet contentment, and proceed about their lives without giving offense to their neighbors. Unless, of course, one is posting in a political thread . . .

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Setanta: Ah, the folly of posting out of context. What I said was,



The operative word here is SOME. One of the things that I have learned from MY dissolute youth is that it is illogical to paint with a broad brush.

Good grief. If we only knew then what we know now! :wink:

Even I have to go along with that much, Lola.

Roger! What a man! er, Rat...

Thanks to President Bush, the dividend tax will soon be gone.

Gone far away into the sands of time and never to return to any human being decent enough to sweat out this Stock Market. I've sweat so much over the DOW, lately, that I'm going to need little umbrellas for my eyelids.

uhyeah, that'll help you out a lot. Let me know how much money you save.

It will save me a great deal of money. Now if President Bush would only eliminate interest from being taxed.

New Haven, You see? Even you can find a tax break that benefits most middle class Americans. Exemption of tax on interest is a better plan than the one for dividends only. Only five percent of you folks will benefit from a dividend tax exemption, but all Americans with CD's and savings accounts will benefit from a exemption on interest. c.i.

c.i.- Many retired people in Florida live off their dividends. Here there is no state tax, but there IS a particularly noxious tax called the Florida Intangible Tax. This tax is figured on the value of your stocks and bonds (bank accounts, CDs and Money market accounts are exempt) as of January 1 of the taxible year. So many people have to pay on the value of the stock, even though it might go down the very next day.

Anybody interested in learning about this, go to:



Link to Florida Intangible Tax

Holy cow! Taxes on the value of stocks? I think the Boston Tea Party is ready for reorganizing in Florida. Cheeese.... c.i.

All you folks in Florida must be wealthy! It's been shown that only five percent of the wealthiest in this country owns stocks that pays dividends outside of their IRA's, 401k's and 403b's. All the rest of us has to pay taxes on the dividend income and everything else when we withdraw from our retirement plans. c.i.

First, I feel tax relief should go to tax-payers, and I believe it is fair and just that tax relief be granted in proportion to tax burden.
Gasoline, tobacco, alchohol, and dividend income are multiply taxed. In the case of the first three, case may be made for the regulative and/or inhibitory nature of multiple taxation. Among the effects of taxation is to render less attractive the commodity which is taxed. Double-Taxing dividend income inhibits investment. Lack of available investment capital is chief among the factors negatively impacting the economic sector as a whole.

Consumer spending has bouyed the economy, and has made this a most peculiar and unprecedented recession. Lacking Investment Capital to do otherwise, Business and Industry have been forced to economize, increase efficiency, and to downsize in order to survive. That is a game which can be played only so long before it begins to negatively impact consumer spending. Providing Investment Capital has sure and long term beneficial impact on economic growth. Discouraging investment has precisely the opposite effect.

There's more, but that's enough for now.



timber

timber, It seems you are ignoring my posts; those of us that own stocks that are in our 401k's, IRA's, and 403b's still must pay taxes on the dividends paid to us. There's something drastically wrong with tax benefits that only benefits one group and not the other for the same double taxation. c.i.

c.i., I'm not ignoring your posts; thorough overhaul of our tax system is required. You appear to me to be ignoring the point I make that investment capital is in critically short supply, and should be encouraged to enter the market. Among other things, a removal of the dividend tax will result in more firms passing dividends to their shareholders, as Microsoft has just done for the first time. The additional income will directly benefit your 401 or IRA, and provision should be made to shield that income from unjust taxation. Encouraging investment directly improves the economy.



timber