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Reasons for optimism

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:29 am
@layman,
Serious question... did you really have to google this name? Or is that just for rhetorical effect?
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:39 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Serious question... did you really have to google this name? Or is that just for rhetorical effect?


Well, let me put it this way.

1. I don't buy Amway products. I drives those pervs offa my property with a sawwed-off shotgun.

2. I don't live in Mighigan.

3. I don't give a rat's ass about public "education." I kept all of my 37 children out of the public schools. Most of them were later rewarded with long vacations, all expenses paid, funded by the State. Those who aren't currently in prison will soon be going back, so there's that.

4. Why would I even care to know anything about these demons from hell, I ask ya?
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:44 am
@layman,
No chance of an honest answer?
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:49 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

No chance of an honest answer?


Well, you first, eh? I'm still waiting for an honest answer to this question, ya know:

"I bet I'm missing some of the truly frightening things that you've no doubt uncovered, eh? What else have these degenerates done?"
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:59 am
@layman,
If you have a desire or intention to play this straight and with integrity, then I'll engage you in the matter. But I need to know first off whether you know about this lady and her family. What I'm asking is a simple question that requires only a "yes" or "no" response. What you are asking will require substantially more effort on my part. I need to know whether such effort will be worth my time.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 06:03 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

What you are asking will require substantially more effort on my part. I need to know whether such effort will be worth my time.


Well, Blathy, ya know, I'm not the only person at this site. It would kinda be your "public duty" to expose these criminals for the sake of everyone else here, even if I wasn't, doncha think?

Then again, it might be a disservice to them, I guess. You might cause them to lose sleep at night, just like you. That wouldn't be nice, now, would it?
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 06:06 am
@layman,
I'll interpret that as a refusal to proceed with integrity.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 06:09 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I'll interpret that as a refusal to proceed with integrity.


Well, then, at least innocent people have been spared from the agony caused by seeing the ugly truth. Very generous and empathetic decision, on your part. This does, after all, need to be a "safe space" for cheese-eaters.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:01 am
Well, I admit I've never heard of her. First read about her this morning in Media Matters. As always it is a left wing site but always has links to back up what they say.

Here Are The Corporations And Right-Wing Funders Backing The Education Reform Movement
snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:09 am
Blatham, I'd not heard of her before this selection by Trump. But she sounds about as scary as the other shitbags he's choosing.
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:19 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

. As always it is a left wing site but always has links to back up what they say.

Here Are The Corporations And Right-Wing Funders Backing The Education Reform Movement


Wow!!! According to this site:

Quote:
Through the DeVos Family Foundation, the DeVoses have given millions to anti-teachers union and pro-privatization education groups; recent tax filings show donations to the Alliance for School Choice, the American Enterprise Institute, the Black Alliance for Educational Options, the Foundation for Excellence in Education, the Heritage Foundation, the Hispanic Council for Reform and Educational Options, and the Institute for Justice.


The utter HORROR of it all, eh!? Has the FBI been notified?

What kind of traitor would give millions to groups like The Black Alliance for Educational Options, and The Hispanic Council for Reform and Educational Options? ****, the word "options" alone tells you they're out to destroy the entire country, know what I'm sayin?
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:29 am
@layman,
They want to privatize schools to make a profit. That is what the Trump administration is all about, turning everything he can to private companies to make a profit. Like the private prisons, it will not be in their best interest to provide quality education to minorities or anyone else once they get rid of public schools, folks will have no choice but to suck it up regardless of how bad it might be. Moreover, they can teach what they want, religious dogma and the rest. I just hope the option of homeschooling would still be there if they have their way.

I tell you, I see less reasons for optimism everyday.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:36 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
. Moreover, they can teach what they want, religious dogma and the rest.
I tell you, I see less reasons for optimism everyday.


They can "teach religious dogma if they want!?" Wouldn't that violate the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion? Trump is out to destroy the constitution, I tellya!
layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:41 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

They want to privatize schools...


I think that private schools are now, and have always been, illegal and unconstitutional, right?
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 08:46 am
I knew it was a mistake to leave my safe space on campus and come here. I'll probably never get another good night's sleep in my life now. I will worry 24/7 about the 4th Reich being created here in America. I need cocoa. I need my therapy dog. I need my Playdoh and coloring book.

I'm beginning to understand how we, who are devoted to loving people, are COMPELLED to drag people out of their cars and beat the crap out of them if we think they might have voted for Trump. They're all HATERS!
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 09:25 am
This Devos Babe is obviously a total fraud, eh?

Quote:
...she did not support Trump even once he became the presumptive Republican nominee, throwing her vote as a party delegate instead behind Ohio Gov. John Kasich. Two years ago, she also publicly called for a Republican leader in Michigan to step down after he made anti-gay and anti-Muslim comments on social media....
DeVos family foundations reported lifetime charitable giving of more than $1.2 billion earlier this year to institutions ranging from hospitals to arts organizations.


https://medium.com/@Chalkbeat/what-you-should-know-about-betsy-devos-trumps-education-secretary-pick-and-what-her-choice-7990d856318#.pvueemvje

This website must be a secret adjunct of the KKK. They have the unmitigated gall to call her and her family "philanthropists," just because they have given over a billion dollars to charitable causes. Is there ANYBODY who doesn't know this was some form of bribery, just waiting to be discovered? Their whole goal in giving away over a billion was to get even richer, obviously.

Does ANYBODY believe that she didn't secretly support Trump and who doesn't know that, publicity stunts aside, she wants to throw gays off of 10-story buildings? I don't think so. Homey don't play dat
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 09:57 am
@layman,
Quote:
They can "teach religious dogma if they want!?" Wouldn't that violate the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion? Trump is out to destroy the constitution, I tellya!


Private schools are allowed to teach religious dogma because they are not public so it is not the government picking one religion over another which would not violate the constitution. Why else do you think these fundamental religious types want to privatize schools? It is so they can teach their religious doctrine whatever it may be without the government sticking their big noses into it.

layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 10:12 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Why else do you think these fundamental religious types want to privatize schools? It is so they can teach their religious doctrine whatever it may be without the government sticking their big noses into it.


OK. So what's the problem with that? Is it that, as an atheist, you want to force kids to be free from prayer in schools, etc.?

Atheism is itself a theistic position. Do the atheists want to "establish" their religion in and out of state-related functions? Do you want to make it mandatory that the " government stick their big noses into it?"
Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 11:34 am
@revelette2,
On the flip side, if liberals start their own charter schools, they can teach Enlightenment values and have students learn, from books like The Selfish Gene, that there are biological explanations for altruistic behavior -- things like that.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 12:37 pm
@revelette and @snood

Re the DeVos family, do pick up Jane Mayer's Dark Money if you want a top-notch resource. But that's a big read. There's much else you can read with some google searching. I've known about them for a long while (two decades or so) because of my studies on the rise of movement conservatism in the US. As some links you've posted will note, her brother is Eric Prince, founder of the mercenary corporation Blackwater. This family, along with a few other very wealthy and politically extreme families like the Bradley's, Coors, Olins, Scaifes, Kochs provided most of the seed money to build and expand radical right wing institutions in America. These people (where still alive) had no use for Trump previously. But now they have found him the most excellent tool for getting what they have always sought - the power to eviscerate the social safety net and New Deal arrangements/values, to crush unions, to reverse the civil rights and feminist movements and more recently the gay rights movement, to turn back teaching of evolution in schools, and to fill up their own bank accounts.

These people and others like them came out of rather old ideological roots the precede even Goldwater (the John Birch Society didn't just drop down from the sky). They are roughly representative of what Ike described in his famous letter to brother Edgar:
Quote:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/ikesocial.asp

And there's a quote to give us a fine measure of just how insane the right in America has become since Ike's time.
 

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