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Reasons for optimism

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 07:57 pm
@revelette2,
Wasting your time on her Rev.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:01 pm
@georgeob1,
How do you think he will do with the majority of voters who voted against him? Are do you believe that the majority are not relevant and must do as dictator tRump orders us to do?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:16 pm
@ehBeth,
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Ha! the Eastman museum is just across the lake (in kicky's hometown).

Are you in touch with Kicky? Frank is not. If you are, please pass on for me a package of my mid-grade affections.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:24 pm
@maporsche,
I probably have the same opinion of him that you do, except, yes, now that he's taken on the media, I'll be pulling for him to **** them over.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:54 pm
Blatham suggested a President couldn't influence the decisions of the DOJ.

By that ridiculous assertion alone everyone should ignore whatever he has to say. (There are so many other reasons but this one should suffice)

I voted for Trump because I could not abide a flagrant crook in the White House. A secondary reason was that he promised to "drain the swamp"

Short of a presidential pardon, it's not up to the President to decide who should ore should not be investigated and prosecuted for the commision of a crime.

I could give a rat's ass whether or not Clinton is depressed about losing, and neither should Trump.

We are a nation of man made laws and not those fashioned by karma.

If you (blatham) or I were being prosecuted for commiting a crime, do you think our prosecutor would give a damn about how depressed we might be?

America right now and for far too long has been ruled by an elitist governing class . I didn't vote for one prince to replace another.

Bannon get your **** together and crush the Establishment advocates!
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 05:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I voted for Trump because I could not abide a flagrant crook in the White House
So you voted for a boastful one who likes playing you instead eh?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 06:00 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Bannon get your **** together and crush the Establishment advocates

Yeh, lets put on our brown shirts and step on the rights of those who dont follow the "thoughts of Der Donald"
layman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 06:20 am
@farmerman,
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Yeh, lets put on our brown shirts and step on the rights of those who dont follow the "thoughts of Der Donald"


That kinda escalated in a hurry, eh, Farmer? You didn't waste a second in hauling out the "go-to" Nazi accusation, did ya?

I'm scared.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 08:43 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn arrives, hairy chest carried on a spine of titanium and his thoughts as hot as the sun's very core.
Quote:
an elitist governing class...crush the Establishment advocates!

Who is them dudes? Perhaps Paul Ryan? He began his career as a professional politician immediately following graduation. Maybe Mitch McConnell who too has been a politician/swamp creature since 1964? Or Preibus, ambitious politician since 2004? One could go on and on...

Who ya talking about, bub? And yes, we do recognize at least that Sarah Palin is on your happy side in this equation.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 08:51 am
@layman,
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That kinda escalated in a hurry, eh, Farmer? You didn't waste a second in hauling out the "go-to" Nazi accusation, did ya
wasnt responding to you, so perhaps your selective responses missed the original threats from Herr Finnsy.

blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 09:01 am
Here's a clue to Trump's strategy to constantly demonize the press (particularly, but more broadly, anyone who criticizes him).
Quote:
Barney Frank, long known as America’s crankiest liberal, is actually not feeling too badly. Frank retired from Congress in 2012, after three decades of representing Massachusetts’s Fourth District, then wrote a memoir, became a director of the Signature Bank, and took his curmudgeon act on the road as a lecturer. But the election of Donald Trump has not shattered his confidence about the nation’s political future. “This was not a wipeout. People will tend to overinterpret it. Remember, we got more votes than they did,” he said, in an interview this week. “And there is one silver living for us. They have succeeded in blaming us for everything that goes wrong in the world. From now on, anything bad that happens is on them. They control the whole government—White House, Senate, House, Supreme Court. Some people think that maybe Trump can somehow evade that responsibility, but I think it will be hard to blame it on some Mexicans when something goes wrong.”
http://bit.ly/2f6rl47
I think Barney has a good assessment here. Modern conservatism has two main modes of forward progress - deep levels of organization and activism which work best when out of the public eye (as the Koch crowd tried to maintain a level of invisibility before Jane Mayer blew their cover) along with the loud cacophony of bitter aggrievement at how others are maltreating and oppressing them. So the situation where they hold all the key nodes of political power presents them with exactly the problem Barney describes.

So when things go south, what the hell do they do? Blame someone else, of course, that's the known known. But where to throw the blame that appears credible to his supporters? The press. If he can continue to carry through on this project/strategy (which began much earlier of course) that allows him two advantages: keeping the base in line through isolating them in their epistemic bubble and diverting the press' attention/activity to a defensive posture and away from coverage and narratives that might (will) do damage to a Trump administration.

As I've noted before, authoritarian/totalitarian regimes as a first or second step almost always move to suppress a free news media component in their societies. We've seen this before in the US but Trump is the worst we've seen certainly in my lifetime.
layman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 09:06 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

wasnt responding to you, so perhaps your selective responses missed the original threats from Herr Finnsy.


Well, Farmer, ya know, I didn't think you were responding to me, if for no other reason that I had not made a single prior post in this thread.

I did read Finny's post, but I guess I missed something that you managed to spot somehow. "Threats?" Where? What?
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layman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 09:11 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
As I've noted before, authoritarian/totalitarian regimes as a first or second step almost always move to suppress a free news media component in their societies.


Naw, they don't really "suppress" newspapers. They promote them. But only after they have taken them over and turned them into propaganda machines for the party in power. Hmmm, where have we seen that before?
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 10:09 am
In keeping with Finn's passionate and patriotic zest for crushing Americans who read books or who arrogantly set themselves to the task of criticizing His Terrificness, let us all rise up and DEMAND that he keep the key campaign promise of deporting undocumented immigrants!
Quote:
In a 60 Minutes interview scheduled to air Sunday, President-elect Donald Trump said he planned to immediately deport two to three million undocumented immigrants after his inauguration next January.

“What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably two million, it could be even three million, we are getting them out of our country or we are going to incarcerate,” Trump told 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, according to a preview of the interview released by CBS. “But we’re getting them out of our country. They’re here illegally.”
http://natpo.st/2f6H9DG

But let's be prepared here. Let's assess what this would look like.

1) Identifying the 2 or 3 million.
That's going to take a task force of, what? thousands of civil servants hired or redirected from other activities (forget the costs to taxpayers, it's important!) Simply relying on chance encounters between police or immigration and these brown bad people would take decades. Not good enough!

2) Rounding them up.
That ought to go smoothly. We're only talking about some hundreds of cities and towns. Probably thousands of them, I guess, but whatever. They'll be hiding (if not in the first week or two, after that they will be). So militarized swat teams will have to go house to house, apartment to apartment in all those cities. Doors bashed in. "DOWN ON THE FLOOR! NOW! PAPERS! WE NEED TO SEE YOUR PAPERS!". Probably best to do this at night when the bastards are sleeping and less prepared to cut the throats of our men in blue (or maybe a new color, black would be handsome). Sympathetic neighbors? Mace, stun weapons, arrests and incarceration, etc, all easy enough done. The inevitable protests that would rise up across the nation? Crush them. They are obstructing justice.

3) Holding facilities.
Cool. There's some infrastructure and job creation stuff right there. 2 or 3 million held in cities and towns across America means a lot of barbed wire fencing, a lot of toilets and guard towers and food and cooks, a lot of real estate rented, and a lot of guards. Like, I mean, a LOT. And those damned protesters again, because we can count on these homosexuals and bleeding heart types to show up so they have to be managed by more police types with shields and body armor and weapons. All good for the economy.

4) Moving the cantaloupe thighed scum
Another railway boom! America hasn't enjoyed one of those for a long time. The rails are in place but we're talking new boxcars. For speedy relocation, that's going to mean thousands or hundreds of thousands of new boxcars built to handle this necessary new traffic (can't use existing resources because those are needed for transport of all that stuff made in China). Imagine the boost to steel towns! The scum will need to be guarded along the routes past rivers and local Home Depots and schools where blue eyed children play and that's more employment. And then, of course, more protesters along every route, they'll have to be removed and maced, probably, and put in jails (we'll need more so that means just more economic activity!). How to feed the scum in transit? Simple. Using batons and pepper spray, move the scum to one side of each boxcar then stuff in a taco truck. Hell, it will be the best most of these degraded people have ever eaten. Water? Are you kidding?! Urine is sterile. They should have thought about this before breaking the law.

5) Cargo delivery finalized
OK, the final step. No problem really other than hundreds of thousands of boxcars converging at that insufficiently-porous southern border (insufficient for the north to south directionality, that is). So, just get the smelly boxcars near the border somewhere, then open the doors and the swat teams and the German Shepards along with the patriotic help of local NRA and militia liberty lovers can direct the scum back to scumland. No problem.

Make Donald keep his promises!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 10:21 am
Oh goodness me. Clinton's margin in the popular vote of American citizens is now past 2 million. Proof beyond question that GOP policies and Trump are exactly what those US citizens demand. What could be more clear? We are talking a hell of a healthy democracy here.
layman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 10:24 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

We are talking a hell of a healthy democracy here.


Yeah, right, eh?

http://able2know.org/topic/354920-1#post-6309070
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:46 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

blatham wrote:
As I've noted before, authoritarian/totalitarian regimes as a first or second step almost always move to suppress a free news media component in their societies.


Naw, they don't really "suppress" newspapers. They promote them. But only after they have taken them over and turned them into propaganda machines for the party in power. Hmmm, where have we seen that before?


This is what is so crazy. It is happening in full force and Blatham's type don't recognize it--because the prevailing media narratives suit them.

This is why Breitbart and Fox are important--agree with their content or not.

Same with the thumbing down here to silence opposing viewpoints.

And they don't get it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 03:58 am
I actually could not sleep tonight after learning that Trump was choosing Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary. I'm getting really scared now. If you don't know about this family, get up to speed.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:11 am
If this surprises anyone at all, they just have not been paying attention.
Quote:
President-elect Donald Trump has received two classified intelligence briefings since his surprise election victory earlier this month, a frequency that is notably lower — at least so far — than that of his predecessors, current and former U.S. officials said.

A team of intelligence analysts has been prepared to deliver daily briefings on global developments and security threats to Trump in the two weeks since he won. Vice President-elect Mike Pence, by contrast, has set aside time for intelligence briefings almost every day since the election, officials said.
http://wapo.st/2frINeI
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2016 05:21 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I actually could not sleep tonight after learning that Trump was choosing Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary. I'm getting really scared now. If you don't know about this family, get up to speed.


Following your suggestion, I googled this "clan," Blathy. First hit was the "Detroit News." Among other things, it says:

"DeVos, 58, is seen as a national leader in the school choice movement, which she has called an attempt to “empower” parents to find good schools for their children...

In Michigan, DeVos sits on the board of the Great Lakes Education Project, which has operated as her influential family’s school choice advocacy arm in Lansing. For the past 14 years, the group has been actively advocating its education reform agenda in both the Capitol and state House and Senate elections, particularly Republican primaries....

[editorial comment: I see that her family is "influential." Gotta admit I'm starting to get scared shitless)

...DeVos is a former Michigan Republican Party chairwoman whose husband, Dick, unsuccessfully ran for governor in 2006.

The DeVos family, heirs to the Amway Corp. fortune, are the most prolific donors to the Michigan Republican Party, GOP officeholders and candidates.

[comment: "prolific donors to the Michigan Republican Party," eh? I'm starting to get it, now. These are indubitably demons from hell.]

During the presidential campaign, Betsy and Dick DeVos never publicly supported Trump, although other members of DeVos clan donated $245,000 to a fund to help elect Trump and other Republican candidates."

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/23/trump-devos-education/94344918/

OK, then! That clinches it! Trump was among "other Republican candidates" who benefited from contributions to made the party by "other members of the Devos clan." These are obviously traitors, eh?

I bet I'm missing some of the truly frightening things that you've no doubt uncovered, eh? What else have these degenerates done?
 

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