layman
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2017 05:13 pm
Despite government attempts at repression, the people of some European countries are beginning to rise up and resist, eh? From the Netherlands:

Quote:
Public support for controversial far-right leader Geert Wilders continues to rise in the Netherlands, despite his recent conviction for inciting racial hatred.

Mr Wilders was found guilty of inciting discrimination after leading a chant against allowing Moroccans to live in the Netherlands in 2014. The incident was filmed by TV cameras and Mr Wilder’s allegedly vowed to “take care” of immigration.

In a televised message following his conviction, Mr Wilders said: “I still cannot believe it, but I have just been convicted because I asked a question about Moroccans. The Netherlands has become a sick country. I have a message for the judges who convicted me: you have restricted the freedom of speech of millions of Dutch people and hence convicted everyone. No-one trusts you anymore. I will never be silent. You will not be able to stop me.”

In August, Mr Wilders said he wants to ban all Islamic symbols, mosques and the Quran from the Netherlands, as part of a “total de-Islamification”. Under the PVV, politicians say refugee asylum centres will be closed, and borders shut to migrants from Muslim countries.

His unvarnished remarks on immigration have won him much support and if polls are to be believed, his party would come out of the elections in March as the largest single party with a strong moral case for attempting to form a government.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-anti-islam-geert-wilders-polls-rise-hate-crime-trial-conviction-far-right-a7471626.html

Cheese-eaters are a dying breed.

I meant to post this in another thread--well, that's cool, I just post it there too.


nimh
 
  4  
Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2017 08:45 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
if polls are to be believed, his party would come out of the elections in March as the largest single party with a strong moral case for attempting to form a government.


According to the polls, his Freedom Party is indeed set to end up the single largest party.

With all of 17-22% of the vote, depending on the poll.

(It doesn't take much to be largest in as fragmented a party system as the Dutch.)

Meanwhile, a moral case for attempting to form a government? Well. It's free to make an attempt, of course. Almost every other party, including the other main right-wing party (the VVD), has ruled out entering a coalition with them, so there's that. Maybe if the VVD loses enough seats and Prime Minister Rutte resigns as party leader, Wilders can get his successor to flip-flop on that vow. But according to the same polls that have Wilders' party on top, even that would still be far from enough to get a majority.

The pollster that's been most bullish on the number of seats Wilders' party is set to get - the one that has it at 22% of the vote - also asked people which politicians they'd be OK with as Prime Minister, and which ones they absolutely did not want as Prime Minister.

Guess which politician met the largest amount of opposition?

58% of Dutch voters absolutely does not want Geert Wilders as Prime Minister.

All of 24% of them said they wouldn't mind Wilders as Prime Minister.
layman
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2017 08:47 pm
@nimh,
These "pollsters" aint learned a thing from Brexit and Trump's election, eh?

Keep up your faith in polls telling you what you want to hear, cheese-eaters.

Good luck with that.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2017 09:39 pm
@layman,
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/28/obama-922-days-drop-42-disapproval-trump-8.html

Quote:
Donald Trump has proved that it is not always true that the only place you can go is up. He has gone down instead.


Quote:


Republicans Devastated As 61% Of Voters Disagree With Trump’s Criticism Of Obama
By Jason Easley on Tue, Jun 14th, 2016 at 7:38 pm
A new Bloomberg Politics national poll contained horrible news for Republicans as 61% of voters disagreed with Donald Trump's criticism of President Obama on terrorism.
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nimh
 
  4  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 07:08 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

These "pollsters" aint learned a thing from Brexit and Trump's election, eh?

Keep up your faith in polls telling you what you want to hear, cheese-eaters.

Good luck with that.


LOL - your whole post was based on the polls. Polling shows Wilders' party to be the largest, yadda yadda... You were happy to eat that up, and tout that part of the polls. Wilders is winning! But then when someone points out what the rest of that same polling says, suddenly it's back to the "you can't trust the pollsters, only cheese eaters believe the polls" stuff. Dude, you were just citing those very same polls. It's all your whole post was about.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 08:44 am
Part of me feels sorry for Trump. All his press releases announced a visit by Teresa May. This lady.

https://www.ephotozine.com/resize/2010/04/xlrg/9069_1264523653.jpg?RTUdGk5cXyJFBQgJVANtcQlnYF8JERFaGwJRNQh6SlYUAEw1cmsCdg1hAWoxXFNGLSI=

Instead he met Theresa May.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8403313.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Theresa-May.jpg
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Frugal1
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:23 am
Quote:
After meeting with the president, the union chiefs did something no one expected.
They called the meeting “extraordinary” before delivering a statement that destroyed every democrat in the country.

Building Trades union chief Sean McGarvey speaking for the group said,

“The president laid out his plans about how he’s going to handle trade, how he’s going to invest in our infrastructure and how he’s going to level the playing field for construction workers and all Americans across this country. And then took the time to take everyone into the Oval Office and show them the seat of power in the world.

The respect that the president of the United States just showed us — and when he shows it to us he shows it to three million of our members in the United States — was nothing short of incredible. And we will work with him and his administration to implement his plans on infrastructure, trade and energy policy so that we really do put America back to work in middle class jobs that all Americans and our members are demanding.”

Look union members voted for Trump in large part, but union leadership all opposed Trump. To see that core democratic constituency flip sides so quickly means the democratic party is done for. Without union votes, cash and volunteers the democrats are a party without an army. A party without a vision. And one heading for oblivion.


Source
hightor
 
  5  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:42 am
@Frugal1,
I like the way you always quote such objective sources. Go forbid someone should have to read an account of this meeting and not come away with the politically correct interpretation: "A party without a vision. And one heading for oblivion."

Let's look at this further down the road. Not a dollar's been spent, not a nail driven, the bill hasn't even been crafted yet. Everything seems rosy in the planning stage because talk is cheap.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 12:31 pm
@hightor,
Trump's travel ban is idiotic. Only Christians won't be detained. Who voted for this crazy man to be our president?

Customs agent asking a terrorist at the border, "are you a Christian?" "Yes."
You may enter.
Frugal1
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 01:11 pm
@hightor,
Interpret it any way you like, let your imagination run wild.

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Brandon9000
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 04:20 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Trump's travel ban is idiotic. Only Christians won't be detained. Who voted for this crazy man to be our president?

Customs agent asking a terrorist at the border, "are you a Christian?" "Yes."
You may enter.

Did you, by any chance, happen to notice the bodies flying through the air in the West these past few years because of murderers motivated by Islamic extremism? The truck driven into people at the Berlin Christmas Market, the mass stabbing at Ohio State University, the priest whose throat was cut in France, the Pulse night club in Orlando, the mass shooting and attempted bombing in San Bernardino, the truck that ran down a crowd on Bastille Day in France, etc., etc.?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 04:32 am
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
A petition to stop US President Donald Trump's UK state visit has gathered more than a million signatures.

Numbers of signatories have been rising rapidly since a US clampdown on immigration came into effect over the weekend, causing anger worldwide.

PM Theresa May announced the visit during her recent US trip. Downing Street has rejected calls for it to be cancelled as a "populist gesture".

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn urged the PM to postpone the visit.

Graham Guest, a solicitor from Leeds who began the petition, said he wanted it to "put the spotlight" on Mr Trump.

On Sunday, he told the Press Association news agency: "A state visit legitimises his presidency and he will use


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998

It doesn't matter what Theresa the appeaser says, if that piss stained pervert is given a state visit there will be riots.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 04:39 am
@Brandon9000,
That's a drop in the ocean compared to the legions of innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis and Vietnamese butchered by Americans. Then there's this, which is more recent.

Quote:
Six people have been killed and another eight wounded in a shooting at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada, police say.

Shots were fired at the Quebec Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday night, where more than 50 people had gathered for evening prayers.

One suspect was arrested at the scene and another was arrested nearby. Police do not believe there are other suspects at large.

The Canadian authorities are treating the shooting as a terror attack.

"We condemn this terrorist attack on Muslims in a centre of worship and refuge," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement.
"Muslim-Canadians are an important part of our national fabric, and these senseless acts have no place in our communities, cities and country."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38793071
TomTomBinks
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 07:02 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Quote:
Six people have been killed and another eight wounded in a shooting at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada, police say.

Shots were fired at the Quebec Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday night, where more than 50 people had gathered for evening prayers.

One suspect was arrested at the scene and another was arrested nearby. Police do not believe there are other suspects at large.

The Canadian authorities are treating the shooting as a terror attack.

"We condemn this terrorist attack on Muslims in a centre of worship and refuge," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement.
"Muslim-Canadians are an important part of our national fabric, and these senseless acts have no place in our communities, cities and country."


This despicable act will be applauded here (USA) by some. I'll likely hear "finally someone strikes back" later today at work.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 07:05 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3a7VMOUEAAyl4H.png
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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 07:45 am
ABC Cuts Footage Of Iraqi Detained At Airport Saying He Likes Trump
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 07:50 am
@TomTomBinks,
TomTomBinks wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
Six people have been killed and another eight wounded in a shooting at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada, police say.

Shots were fired at the Quebec Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday night, where more than 50 people had gathered for evening prayers.

One suspect was arrested at the scene and another was arrested nearby. Police do not believe there are other suspects at large.

The Canadian authorities are treating the shooting as a terror attack.

"We condemn this terrorist attack on Muslims in a centre of worship and refuge," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement.
"Muslim-Canadians are an important part of our national fabric, and these senseless acts have no place in our communities, cities and country."


This despicable act will be applauded here (USA) by some. I'll likely hear "finally someone strikes back" later today at work.


I heard about this as I was getting ready for work this morning. I was extremely saddened to hear about it and I am very sorry that Canada has had this happen. It's truly horrible and I wish no one should ever have to go through an event like that. Terrorism has to go.
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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 07:54 am
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16388303_603011053238267_4711240439127515006_n.jpg?oh=83699a8011939f45f46cb138c75a7db6&oe=590B2D25
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 08:03 am
@TomTomBinks,
There's no difference, fascists are fascists regardless of religion or nationality. Smearing whole groups instead of targeting those responsible is a huge mistake. There will be young angry men in America, not just Muslims either, who will be tipped over the edge by Trump's actions.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2017 08:09 am
Trump has just become the most powerful recruiter for jihadist violence in the world.
 

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