Are the presidential election results real? Or simply a simulation?

No... Putin intervened to help Hillary lose the election... There's a big difference.

Can you see the similarity between:

Trump: I won the popular vote. Millions of Hillary voters voted fraudulently.
giujohn: No... Putin intervened to help Hillary lose the election... There's a big difference.

You are beginning to get the essence of the dark art of Trump's disinformation, giujohn.

Senators break with Trump, back probe on Russian hacking

Washington (CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell broke with President-elect Donald Trump over Russia on Monday, saying he supports a congressional investigation into findings that Russian hackers attempted to influence the election.

Here's the results of the "probe". If "the Russians" ™ hacked an unprotected server, set up illegally by the secretary of state, and "stole" damaging information, then the sec of state is going to prison.

Different issue.

How so??

You're stuck on Secretary of State Clinton. We've moved on to influencing elections.

Then the practice of using private servers seems to be common from President down.

It is wasting time to ask what would happen if Bush's private server got hacked.

George W Bush’s Private Email Account and Server

Hillary Clinton wasn’t the only one busted for using a private email account and a domain and server not owned and used by the federal government. George W Bush is also guilty of such an act. George W Bush was caught using the domain gwb43 (short for George W Bush, 43rd President), which was owned and hosted on an email server ran by the Republican National Committee. It is alleged that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.

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When Ronald Reagan was president, conservatives were very upset by the bad behavior of the Russians.

How things have changed.

First of all the Russians were the Soviets aka Communists when Reagan was president, and secondly, you're full of crap.

When Putin invaded the Ukraine, there were a lot more enraged Republicans calling for a muscular response than "They're Not Our Ally" Democrats.

Most Republicans have responded appropriately to the current, unsubstantiated charges floating around the MSM.

Sorry max but we're not going to go ape-**** if the Russians helped shed light on the scuttling bugs in the Democrat Party.

By "shed light on the scuttling bugs in the Democrat Party" you mean you are not going to go ape-**** if the Russians interfere with the US election by helping one party over the other. There is no question that this shedding of light helped Trump and that it was one-sided. There was no similar shedding of light about the Republican party.

Do you agree with the basic principle that Putin's Russia shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the US election in any way?

(I strongly suspect Reagan would have had a problem with this...)

We would love to find out if the GOP fixed their primaries but it doesn't appear that they did so. If the Russians did indeed do this hacking, then I'm sure Obama and his administration will find something before Jan 20th...

White House: Trump 'obviously' knew Russia hacks were benefiting him

By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer
December 14, 2016

Washington (CNN) President-elect Donald Trump was "obviously aware" that Russia meddled in the US election to benefit his own campaign, the White House said Wednesday.

Citing Trump's own suggestion over the summer that Moscow locate missing emails from Hillary Clinton's private server, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said the beneficiary of Russia's cyberintrusions was clear.

"There was ample evidence that was known long before the election, and in most cases long before October, about the Trump campaign in Russia, everything from the Republican nominee himself calling on Russia to hack his opponent," Earnest said. "It might be an indication that he was obviously aware and concluded, based on whatever facts or sources he had available to him, that Russia was involved and their involvement was having a negative impact on his opponent's campaign."

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I wonder what the Russians discoverd when they hacked the republican servers? Maybe something to make tRump and his toadies lean toward Putin and friends?

Total liberal fictional bedtime stories. FBI investigated it...Trump was not implicated in any wrong doing.

This thread is funny. I think both sides are being ridiculous.

The emails in question are from the sec of state Clinton days.



Which expat Aussie Murdoch was guilty of for three decades.

I don't see any evidence of anything yet, to confirm or deny the claims being made. The statements I've read say that the CIA was already aware of this before the election. Why bring it up now?

Not every one knew. The FBI apparently dident know Trump had a relationship with Putin. They had to be informed by the CIA. It seems the CIA said Putin directed the hacks and what to release to Assange and wikileaks.

You're serious?

Vladimir Putin has a relationship with all the world leaders because he is one of them. Whether that relationship is frosty or productive isn't just up to him.

Now, if you'd like a list of all the elections in other nations that the US has deemed itself "justified" in attempting to pervert, or influence, I'd just need some parameters, as in where would you like me to start, and stop, said list.

If, indeed, an unprotected server, set up and run by the US sec of state, illegally and intentionally, was actually hacked by a foreign nation, and sensitive information was being stored on that server, illegally, then why do you assume that it's the fault of anyone other than the person who illegally and knowingly set up said server?

Alas that smart Max is gone with wind.

How dull have you become since you accepted Trump as your next president whose inconsistency has become notorious since campaigning, max?

Now Trump shows us his daily bankruptcy, and Max shows us that he's devoid of good sense.