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Am I crazy or is porn OK?

 
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 09:21 am
ehBeth wrote:
I need to get some kind of lock on my system when "snooping" is mentioned. It can't be good for my blood pressure to read about that sort of thing.

What happened to "don't snoop. don't snitch." ?


It's alive and well in the Bear playbook......
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 09:29 am
Grand Duke - porn has changed a lot over the last 20 - 30 years. The industry has recognized the large female market, and is targeting it.

Have you read any of the Nancy Friday collections of womens fantasies? I've noticed a lot of her work makes men uneasy. I've got some theories about why that's the case, but I'll save 'em for now.

Women have been writing and creating porn for hundreds of years. Thousands if you count some of the extremely explicit Indian carvings done by women.


An interesting book on the subject.

http://www.nyupress.org/product_info.php?products_id=1347

Over the course of these same twenty-five years, there has been a proliferation of sexually explicit materials geared toward women, made available in increasingly mainstream venues. In asking "what is the relationship of women to pornography?" Juffer maintains that we need to stop obsessing over pornography's transgressive aspects, and start focusing on the place of porn and erotica in women's everyday lives. Where, she asks, do women routinely find it, for how much, and how is it circulated and consumed within the home? How is this circulation and consumption shaped by the different marketing categories that attempt to distinguish erotica from porn, such as women's literary erotica and sexual self-help videos for couples?

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In her pursuit to understand what women like and how they get it, Juffer delves into adult cable channels, erotic literary anthologies, sex therapy guides, cyberporn, masturbation, and sex toys, showing the varying degrees to which these materials have been domesticated for home consumption.

Representing the next generation of scholarship on pornography, At Home with Pornography will transform our understanding of women's everyday sexuality.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 09:34 am
Thanks for that, ehBeth. I was aware that women wrote and consumed their own porn, but it's definately much lower profile than the male stuff.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 10:11 am
Not if you're a woman.

:wink:
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 10:24 am
As usual,ehbeth brings clarity and scholarship to our debates.

I wasn't being sarcastic although rereading my post I can see why it would appear so.
I'm afraid i'm full of biases that obscure my understanding of the damage that is being complained about...and there's a ton of complaining goin on here.

My perception is that male porn is exclusive and female porn is inclusive although i might be wrong here. I do remember a time when my interest in porn scuttled a loving relationship...I've had to reign in my compulsions a bit.
It's also been my experience that men are a little more comfortable with masturbation, sex and the icky things we might do in the confines of our bedrooms.Then again this might be male bias.
It seems that ehbeth is on the right track. Seperate snooping and lying from porn and it might be easier to deal with the problem.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 10:57 am
Porn can be video Viagra for an older guy...and I see that as a "good thing."

If you are not into porn...stay away from it. But try not to be too judgemental about it. It is relatively (RELATIVELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) benign.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 10:58 am
ehBeth wrote:
Not if you're a woman.

:wink:


Try typing "porn" in Google and see how long it takes to find any female-orientated material. I'm not denying it's not there, but it is a lot harder to find.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:05 am
One of the most interesting studies I've seen on this (and I've mentioned it before) is that they hooked up men and women various sensors and showed them porn aimed at them -- gay porn for gay men, etc. -- and both recorded the physiological reaction and asked the participants what their reaction was.

The women's physiological reaction was JUST as fast and JUST as strong as the men's... but they didn't SAY so. They said, "no, it didn't do anything for me", or "that was disgusting." But their physiological response belied that.

Now, the brain is the most powerful sex organ, etc., but I think it's a great study for proving how much of the "common knowledge" about how men and women respond to porn is socialization rather than physical/ visual response.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:13 am
Grand Duke - how did you define female-oriented? Is it the same way I would, or Eva would, or panzade would?

sozobe's point about socialization is key. We all have different comfort levels in what we are willing to say about any number of subjects, including porn. I won't hesitate to admit that knowing that my father is on this site, and could be browsing this forum/thread (with my mother peeking over his shoulder Shocked ) has a definite effect on what I'm willing to say in this discussion.

I do think that you might be surprised to know what some women think of what you (from my perspective of your comments) think is male-oriented porn.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:19 am
If your Dad isn't looking...what do women think of MOP?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:19 am
Here is something to consider:

More and more of the porn being produced...regardless of whether it is aimed at men or women...

...is being produced and directed by women!

I read a piece recently that indicated some of the porn most in demand...is female produced and directed.

Anyone have any links on this?
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:19 am
I give up. I can't explain clearly enough what I'm trying to say, so I'm going to stop wasting everyone's time. Thanks anyway.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:22 am
Here is a Google search site.

If anything interest you...you can take a look at the site recommendations.

NO PORN HERE...just a goole search response!


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=porn+produced+by+women&btnG=Google+Search
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:28 am
Frank, there's a simple reason women are getting control of MOP. It's a billion dollar industry and even though they were the stars they were being exploited by men. They're now getting a piece of the pie and I don't blame them. However, FOP is a miniscule percentage of the total worth of the porn industry and I don't believe any male or female producers are getting rich off of that section of the industry.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:32 am
Don't give up, Grand Duke.

The best way, I think, to understand your own views/opinions is to be able to explain them so others can understand them.

I know I've learned a lot about myself by saying, and then re-phrasing, things here.

Funny - while starting to look for the info Frank asked about, I found Janesguide.com, which was reviewing Cliterati
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There is a cool "teaser" section that has short little vignettes for when you need that quick shot of smut to take you over the top.
. I think one of the things about women's porn is that it's often 'hidden' in places with what I'd consider amusing titles.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:45 am
Pokin' around some more. Found solomonsrefuge.com which has, among other things,



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The Social Effects of Pornography Studies and Opinion Library

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The Social Benefits of Porn Links
Scientific research that points out the benefits of pornography.

The Players
Researchers, social scientists, and writers in the Porn Wars.

Historical Pornography and Sexual Attitudes
Interesting pages about sexual behaviour in the past and recent studies, most comparing the social values and attitudes of Northern Europe with the US. Just like the porn arguments above, the data show that increased sexual education and access to health care produce lower teen birth rates, STD rates, and abortion as they have in Europe.

<snip>


http://solomonsrefuge.com/LinkLibrary.htm
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 11:48 am
Unhappy: I guess you're crazy and porn is ok.(kidding)

Come back and we'll discuss it.
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Eva
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 03:42 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Eva manages to disprove every dang theory I can come up with. Evil or Very Mad


Why, thank you, ehBeth! I consider that a high compliment. Laughing
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PamO
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 06:39 pm
this has actually been the most educational porn thread ever.

i appreciate the different view points. interesting stuff.

thanks for the research, ehbeth and frank.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2004 06:47 pm
:wink:
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