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Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2016 01:09 pm
Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world’s first duty to the world. Should we declare war against this immoral ideology?

Our collective leadership must lead by honor. Honor demands the first duty of all free people be to do their best to ensure that all the people of the world enjoy the same level of freedom that they enjoy. This is irrefutable, in terms of morality.

Freedom can only be enjoyed in a moral society.

The Hague and U.N. must rule on the duty of the free world to humanity, and decide if it is better to have all these little wars that disrupt our cities and countries, or declare a real ideological war against the barbaric and non-progressive ideology that the Eastern hordes are trying to force down the Wests throat.

As usual, religions are trying to grow themselves by the sword. A redirection is in order and quite necessary if peace is to be achieved.

We, the collective of the free world, must move the war to one of words that judge the ideologies for their moral worth, and seek to live by the best one. That verdict will determine the will of the free world as to which direction we free people wish the world to evolve to; in terms of the limits of freedom and the duty of free people.

The free world has forgotten that its first duty to the world is to work to have the whole world share in that freedom.

A war of words tends to kill fewer people than the murderous religious insurgencies we now suffer.

I think our legislators ought to consider such a strategy.

Do you?

Regards
DL
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2016 03:58 pm
@Greatest I am,
You're speaking from ignorance. The five tenets of Islam:
1) Shahada: Testifying to God's One-ness: The declaration "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet."
2) Salat: Prayer. General Features of Islamic Prayer. ...
3) Zakat: Giving charity. Originally a free-will donation (what is no called Sadaqah ). ...
4) Sawm: Fast. ...
5) Hajj: Pilgrimage.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 12:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're speaking from ignorance. The five tenets of Islam:
1) Shahada: Testifying to God's One-ness: The declaration "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet."
2) Salat: Prayer. General Features of Islamic Prayer. ...
3) Zakat: Giving charity. Originally a free-will donation (what is no called Sadaqah ). ...
4) Sawm: Fast. ...
5) Hajj: Pilgrimage.


If you want to believe that, go ahead, but this belies what you put.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pSPvnFDDQHk

http://www.therebel.media/tiffany_gabbay_april_19

I have dome my homework on Islam and Sharia law. Have you?

If so, tell us what the penalty in Muslim and Sharia run countries is for being a Kafir or being gay.

Regards
DL
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 12:59 pm
@Greatest I am,
You're also free to believe anything you wish about any religion. Your stance only shows your inability to see the extremes in religion or politics.
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 06:48 pm
@Greatest I am,
You're suggesting a worldwide war on Islam. Is that right?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 07:23 pm
@Greatest I am,
It only proves you don't know religious history. Look up the Crusades for one. I can suggest others.
Look up the conflict in Northern Ireland.
perennialloner
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:18 pm
@Greatest I am,
I think if you're going to call Islam an ideology, you have to first define ideology. Then, you have to define other religion's ideologies. Like, Christianity and Judaism. Because the term ideology is usually used in reference to political or economic systems, it's harder for me to think of something that could or has formed the basis for Christianity's ideology, though I'm sure plenty of things exist. With Islam and Judaism it's much easier because I know of clear examples that qualify for the definition I've identified. There's Zionism, Israel, the idea of a "chosen people" for Judaism, which all tie into what might be called Judaism's ideology. Obviously, most people know that not all Jews believe in all those things, even though there's scriptural basis for that idea. With Islam, there's a slew of ideas like Sharia law that terrorists have used to justify their violence against nonbelieving people. Same as with Judaism, most people know that not all Muslims believe in these ideas that could nonetheless be called Islam's ideology.

Let's be honest with whom? People have already identified Islamism as a problem that needs to be dealt with. I will concede that perhaps more can and should be done to deal with Islamic terrorism. What I don't understand is some people's need to conflate a clearly destructive belief system with the faith that millions of people practice.

If you didn't get that last part: the faith that millions of people practice.

So, should we declare war against this immoral ideology?

If by ideology you mean the faith that millions of people practice, the answer is obviously no.


RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 12:41 am
@perennialloner,
Look up the Spanish Inquisition.
perennialloner
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 08:17 am
@RABEL222,
I know what the Spanish Inquisition is. I didnt think it was comparable because it didnt include all types of Christians. It was purely Catholic, so I think it'd be appropriate to call it Catholic as opposed to Christian ideology whereas Zionism and Islamism have included/been adopted by people from various sects of their respective religions. While I don't think either are Judaism's or Islam's ideology, I think it's fair to say they are definitively Jewish and Islamic ideologies that are rooted in scripture. The same cannot be said for the Spanish Inquisition.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 02:02 pm
@perennialloner,
Catholics are christians.
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/are_catholics_christian.php
perennialloner
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 06:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I know that Catholics are Christian. What I was getting at was, when talking about values that encompass a religion's ideology, the Spanish Inquisition and the values it was founded on are a far more difficult comparison to represent a religion's ideology, because the Spanish Inquisition was purely Catholic. By that I mean, it aimed to get rid of Christianity that was not Catholic. Considering this, it's an even bigger stretch/misuse to call the tenets of the Spanish Inquisition Christianity's ideology than calling Islamism and Zionism Islam's and Judaism's ideologies. The tenets of Islamism and Zionism do not necessarily alienate or exclude specific people of the religions these ideologies belong to.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 06:09 pm
@perennialloner,
There are many branches of the Christian religion. Even the Mormons believe in Jesus.
I enjoy visiting temples and churches all over the world, because many are architectural marvels. Also, churches such as Westminster Abbey has many famous VIPs interred there as does many churches around the world.
http://www.genealogyinengland.com/Information/westminsterfamous.htm
I'm not religious myself, although all my siblings are Christians.
perennialloner
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 06:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am very familiar with the many branches of Christianity and other religion. There are two mosques and several churches in my hometown - Protestant, Maronite, and Greek Orthodox. Before the war there was even a synagogue, as before the creation of Israel, there was a significant Jewish community in Lebanon (at least that's what I'm told).
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2016 12:53 am
@perennialloner,
Protestant and Jewish people were also punished under the Spanish Inquisition. Google it. And it was even spread to the new world by the spanish.
perennialloner
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2016 06:37 am
@RABEL222,
I'm not sure your point. And could you stop telling me to Google things. There are nicer and more productive ways of saying you disagree with me. I earlier implied that Protestant people were punished by the Spanish inquisition, unless you meant to say Muslim, not Protestant in your post? And I never said the Spanish Inquisition was a good thing. I said it was led by a subset of Christians, the Catholic Orthodoxy, and aimed to elevate that subset of Christians' power, whether at the cost of other Christian people, Jewish or Muslim people. When I said the Spanish Inquisition wasn't comparable I was not saying it was not bad or that Christianity is not capable of being used in a bad way. I was suggesting the difficulty there is in identifying an entire religion's ideology largely because doing so is dishonest considering many interpretations of these religions that dont have people following that ideology. That is why I think it is dumb to even identify something like Islam's ideology especially when identifying the ideology of any religion would result in finding problematic values given that people today are against mixing religion with politics and economics.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2016 07:30 pm
@perennialloner,
Quote:
And could you stop telling me to Google things.


Sorry. I just wanted you to educate your self so you would quit posting things that arnt true. So I disagree with you. OK?
perennialloner
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2016 08:02 pm
@RABEL222,
What did I post that wasn't true? Factually untrue? Did you even read my post? You haven't even pointed out what you disagree with. You've made me guess in my responses to you. Don't be a bully.
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2017 05:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're also free to believe anything you wish about any religion. Your stance only shows your inability to see the extremes in religion or politics.


Your kind of deflection is usual as you know that it you answer the question, you will show how immoral Islam and Sharia are.

Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2017 05:08 pm
@TomTomBinks,
TomTomBinks wrote:

You're suggesting a worldwide war on Islam. Is that right?


On their ideology. Not their person unless pushed to self defence.

If the world authorities agree with me that Islam and Sharia are immoral and
slave holding ideologies, which they demonstrably are, then that might be all the world needs to rid itself of the worst ideology on the planet.

If popular consensus does not do it then war is inevitable.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2017 05:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It only proves you don't know religious history. Look up the Crusades for one. I can suggest others.
Look up the conflict in Northern Ireland.


Christianity has had many holy wars but only the uneducated will see the Crusades as a holy was.

That was more of a secular war than a religious one although most of the combatants were under religious banners.

Regards
DL
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