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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:04 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Does anyone still read Glitterbag's posts? Why?


I don't think that post is worthy of you. There's far too much vitriol and too many personal attacks on these threads already. Such Personal attacks are the halmarks of the several small and closed minds that sadly populate them. Glitterbag generally expresses an interesting point of view and perspective on many issues here. I read her stuff with interest. I don't always agree, and in such cases make my counter arguments. Unlike many here, she appears to actually consider the opposing views and arguments she gets - even if she doesn't always buy them. What more can one ask on a medium such as this?


You and I don't agree on anything and have had our share of clashes. But I just didn't want to let that post go without telling you - Good on you, georgeob1. Well said.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:05 pm
@McGentrix,
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Is it just selective amnesia?

I think he's just mad because he made the statement that there's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server, and I proved to him that he just made that up. Now he's desperate to save face.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:08 pm
@Glennn,
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/politifact-sheet-hillary-clintons-email-controvers/
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:08 pm
@snood,
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But I just didn't want to let that post go without telling you - Good on you, georgeob1. Well said.

And now you're pathetically reaching out for an ally. Keep trying. It's marginally entertaining.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:16 pm
@Glennn,
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You started this conversation saying: There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server.

Really? Where did I say that? Is your argument so weak you now have to lie about what I have said?

I stated that you have provided no evidence that she violated the law. The one law you did bring up requires that top secret material be in her legal possession for there to be gross negligence.

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It also make clear that she received proper training in the handling of sensitive material. I suggest you look it over to save yourself future embarrassment.

Again you fail to address the issue of (f) that requires Clinton have the top secret documents legally before you can charge her with gross negligence in their handling.

Rather than make a case for her guilt. It seems you want to throw a lot of dust in the air. That might make you feel good but it doesn't show Hillary violated any law. Your lack of an argument would certainly point to there being no legal argument for her having committed a crime.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:17 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server.

Short-term memory problems?? Smile
parados
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:20 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server.

Short-term memory problems??


I have no memory problems. Do you see what your problem is?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:22 pm
@Glennn,
It's not only that; Hillary should have known better than to use her private email server when she was trained on using the secure government server.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:22 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
But I just didn't want to let that post go without telling you - Good on you, georgeob1. Well said.

And now you're pathetically reaching out for an ally. Keep trying. It's marginally entertaining.

Tomorrow georgeob1 and I will be disagreeing about everything, just as we always have. I just gave credit where credit was due. Thankfully everyone doesn't have to see everything that's said here through the same stupidly petty filter as you.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:23 pm
@parados,
Quote:
I have no memory problems.

Then why can't you remember that you said, "There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server."

Do you at least remember how I corrected your misinformation? I'll bet you can't remember that either . . .
parados
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:28 pm
@Glennn,
It seems you are a complete moron.

I never said that. My name is not DrewDad.

Let's put it this way. You have no argument. You can't even get simple things correct. You have no evidence of any law Clinton violated.

It seems I win this one and Clinton isn't guilty because you have presented no evidence of the law or her actions that would have violated any law.

Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:28 pm
@snood,
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through the same stupidly petty filter as you.

Oh, I'll bet you say that to everyone who whose filter catches you making up statements that you deny even when it's in your post for all to see. Very Happy
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:29 pm
@McGentrix,
If you have yet to "a see one," please provide a list of any post you deem not worth reading?
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:41 pm
@parados,
Drew dad did indeed say: There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server.

I then pointed out that he just made that up.

You said: The State Department said she didn't follow rules.

And I said: What they actually said was: “top secret” information has been found in emails that passed through the private email server Hillary Clinton used while leading the agency . . .

You'll have to forgive me confusing you and Drewdad. But yeah, your characterization of Clinton passing top secret information through her email server as not following the rules is kind of humorous.

You didn't read the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed, did you?

snood
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:43 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
through the same stupidly petty filter as you.

Oh, I'll bet you say that to everyone who whose filter catches you making up statements that you deny even when it's in your post for all to see. Very Happy


You're getting me, Parados and Drewdad all mixed up. You were trying to correct Parados' statements, not mine. You were accusing me of trying to curry favor with georgeob1. You've got to try harder to keep all your banal silliness organized.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:51 pm
@snood,
Maybe you can score some points if I get you guys mixed up . . . NOT. Well, let me ask you. Do you agree with Drewdad when he said: There's no evidence that Top Secret material was ever on the Clinton mail server. Or do you agree with me that he was talking out his ass. Careful.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 07:59 pm
@parados,
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You have no evidence of any law Clinton violated.

Sure I do. I've shown that she violated the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed which made her legally obligated to the conditions. I believe I've established that she violated that trust here:

The State Department acknowledged for the first time Friday that “top secret” information has been found in emails that passed through the private email server Hillary Clinton used while leading the agency, elevating the issue in the presidential campaign three days before the hotly contested Iowa caucuses.

The information was contained in 22 emails, across seven email chains, that were sent or received by Clinton, according to a State Department spokesman. The emails will not be disclosed as part of an ongoing release of Clinton’s email correspondence from her years as secretary of state, even in highly redacted form.


Now, if top secret information passing through her private email server is not enough to convince you that she was in serious breach of duty . . .

It was even found that she had destroyed evidence. What do you make of that? Nothing?
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 08:02 pm
Ah, the godawful thumbs-downing. The last resort.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 08:09 pm
@ehBeth,
hunh
first move at 270wotwin in close to a week and not in the direction I was expecting

http://www.270towin.com/maps/clinton-trump-electoral-map

Last Update: October 30, 2016

Clinton
272 /176 / 96


Trump
123 /46 / 77


toss-ups

143

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Clinton went up a tiny bit , Trump went up a little bit - and the toss-ups remain the thing to watch. I'd expected more to move from toss-up to Trump


definitely a hunh

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I guess the solid Clinton states are hanging in, while the toss-up states become more and more fascinating
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2016 08:13 pm
Here, I'll get us started again.

"Clinton say she does not recall that it was ever suggested to her, and she does not recall participating in any communication, conversation, or meeting in which it was discussed that her use of a clintonemail.com e-mail account to conduct official State Department business conflicted with or violated federal record keeping laws."
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This is ridiculous! Clinton acknowledged in the Nondisclosure Agreement she signed that if she is unsure about anything concerning the handling of sensitive material, she is to ask someone who knows. She failed to do so. Even an idiot in her position would know that it is a given that conducting all of your government business on your own email server will ultimately result in classified material being mishandled.
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As part of the Judiciary Committee’s ongoing oversight of Secretary Clinton’s unauthorized use of a private email server during her tenure as Secretary of State, the Justice Department (DOJ) provided in camera review’ of certain immunity agreements. After a specific request from the Committee, based on references made in the immunity agreements to certain “side agreements,” DOJ subsequently provided in camera review of those “side agreements” between DOJ, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and Beth Wilkinson, the lawyer representing both Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson. Like many things about this case, these new materials raise more questions than answers. Please provide a written response to the below questions and make DOJ staff available for a briefing on this matter no later than October 10, 2016.

1.Why did the FBI agree to destroy both Cheryl Mills’ and Heather Samuelson’s laptops after concluding its search?

2.Doesn’t the willingness of Ms. Mills and Ms. Samuelson to have their laptops destroyed by the FBI contradict their claim that the laptops could have been withheld because they contained non-relevant, privileged information? If so, doesn’t that undermine the claim that the side agreements were necessary?

3.Please explain why DOJ agreed to limit their search of the Mills and Samuelson laptops to a date no later than January 31, 2015and therefore give up any opportunity to find evidence related to the destruction of evidence or obstruction of justice related to Secretary Clinton’s unauthorized use of a private email server during her tenure as Secretary of State.

4.Why was this time limit necessary when Ms. Mills and Ms. Samuelson were granted immunity for any potential destruction of evidence charges?

5.Please confirm whether a grand jury was convened to investigate Secretary Clinton’s unauthorized use of a private email server. Disclosure is authorized under Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)(3)(A)(i) and (e)(3)(D).

Read the rest of the questions here: https://www.scribd.com/document/326263616/100316-Goodlatte-Letter-to-AG-Lynch#from_embed
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From Reuters:
In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."
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