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Will Donald Trump Be Afraid To Debate Hillary Clinton?

 
 
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Sun 9 Oct, 2016 09:19 pm
Trump did very well tonight. He definitely had the better "zingers".
Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 9 Oct, 2016 09:33 pm
Would've thought Trump would be belly up after the kind of weekend he had.

Twitter says he gained ground. Did he win? Amazing. She's just so mortally wounded from all her crap, she can't even beat a Trump.

At least she finally admitted she's a big fracker.
Krumple
 
  -2  
Sun 9 Oct, 2016 09:45 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Would've thought Trump would be belly up after the kind of weekend he had.

Twitter says he gained ground. Did he win? Amazing. She's just so mortally wounded from all her crap, she can't even beat a Trump.

At least she finally admitted she's a big fracker.


She needs to lie, cheat and kill to compete with Trump. Goes to show that most really do not like her.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sun 9 Oct, 2016 11:11 pm
@McGentrix,
He also flatout lied WAY more.
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DrewDad
 
  2  
Sun 9 Oct, 2016 11:17 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Here's that image embedded:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXtDsLXEAEcFO1.jpg
Krumple
 
  -4  
Mon 10 Oct, 2016 12:33 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Here's that image embedded:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXtDsLXEAEcFO1.jpg


Who is that blonde man with the microphone?
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 10 Oct, 2016 03:32 am
What is going to happen within and to the GOP after this election is becoming less and less clear. Conservatism and the party has degraded to such an extent that a person like Trump is now it's representative. And as a consequence, the GOP is facing an electoral disaster so severe that party strategists are facing the possibility, once deemed unimaginable, of even losing their majority in the House.

Senior Republicans, in office or now no longer in office, are running away from this candidacy in a manner with no precedent in the last century, or longer. The past two presidential candidates are not endorsing Trump. The second last Republican president is voting for Clinton. If the "rats from a sinking ship" cliche ever had appropriate use, it is now, and it is what has happened to conservatism in America.

This is all really rather terrifying. America is in a precarious place. The election looks certain to be an enormous loss for Republicans and not just in the presidential race. But the extremism of the base, an extremism that has cultural roots but which has been cultivated and heightened by GOP aligned agencies, is tearing at the party's guts and ripping it apart.

Post-election, I really don't know what is going to happen. Nobody does. But I can't see how this present level of civic vulgarity and degradation is remedied. I fear even a landslide loss won't do it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 04:42 am
Trump ally paid sexual assault victim critical of Clinton
Source: Chicago tribune

A sexual-assault victim who is critical of Hillary Clinton and who appeared alongside Donald Trump before Sunday night's debate was paid $2,500 by a political action committee founded by Trump ally Roger Stone.

The Arkansas woman, Kathy Shelton, was sexually assaulted at age 12 and was the victim in a 1975 case in which Clinton was appointed to represent her then-41-year-old attacker, Thomas Alfred Taylor. Shelton has accused Clinton of crossing ethical bounds in the case, and over the past few months, Shelton has given TV and video interviews slamming Clinton.

Shelton's case has been extensively cited in conservative media as evidence that Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, does not have the best interests of women at heart.

The May payment to Shelton by the Committee to Restore America's Greatness PAC, founded by Stone, was described as "contract labor" in campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission. Asked by The Associated Press about the reason for the payment, Stone said in an email that Shelton "was extensively interviewed on video about her experience with Hillary Clinton and was paid for her time."

https://s3.postimg.org/msd4lno37/image.jpg

(not a photoshop - that tattoo is real)

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-paid-accusers-to-appear-before-debate-20161009-story.html


The same Roger Stone who was fired from the Dole campaign in 1996, after taking out ads to find men to have sex with his wife in front of him.

Why doesn't the media make more of a deal of Trump's ties to this racist misogynist and his outlandish conspiracy theories?
They grilled Obama for months over Rev. Wright's one speech.

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Here are just some of the things Roger Stone, the longtime Republican political operative and decades-long friend of Donald Trump, did last week: He "confirmed" that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, called for Bernie Sanders to be shot for treason, and promised right-wing nut-job conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that "Trump will destroy Hillary."

The Cruz-Kennedy thing was vintage Stone, and was of course peddled by Trump despite the fact that he was on the verge of sweeping the Indiana primary and driving his rival out of the race for good. Trump later told Wolf Blitzer he did not believe the Kennedy assassination smear even as he was saying it.

While Trump was busy giving his victory speech and commending Cruz for making the contest competitive, Stone was still peddling the “bombshell” report tying Cruz's father to Kennedy's assassination.

“I went over to the sheriff’s department last night,” Stone told AM 970 The Answer host Joe Piscopo last week. “Take a computer analysis of the photo, the facial aspects of the photo, and Rafael Cruz’s photo today, it’s a perfect match.”


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-dirty-trickster-staggeringly-shady-dealings-political-operative-roger-stone
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 04:45 am
@DrewDad,
Yeah it defeated me, too!
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 10 Oct, 2016 04:47 am
@Krumple,
Quote:
Who is that blonde man with the microphone?



Hillary Clinton, next POTUS.

Who's the old lady crying the corner behind 'him'?
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 04:55 am
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US TV host Billy Bush has been suspended from NBC's Today show after a video tape emerged in which he and Donald Trump made lewd comments.

Today executive Noah Oppenheim wrote in a memo to the morning show's staff that there is "simply no excuse for Billy's language and behaviour on that tape".

Mr Bush has said he was "embarrassed and ashamed" at the remarks.

US presidential candidate Mr Trump has also apologised for the obscene comments made in the 2005 tape.

In the video, Mr Trump was on a bus talking to Mr Bush - then host of NBC's Access Hollywood - ahead of a segment they were about to record.

Mr Trump says "you can do anything" to women "when you're a star" and also brags about trying to grope and kiss women.

Mr Bush tells Mr Trump at one point "the Donald has scored" and also comments on a woman's "good legs".


Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks at a town hall-style forum in Sandown, New Hampshire.Image copyright AP
Image caption
Mr Trump has said the words "don't reflect" who he is

The presenter, who is the first cousin of former President George W Bush, has since said: "It's no excuse, but this happened 11 years ago - I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along. I'm very sorry."

Top Republicans have condemned Mr Trump for the comments. His election rival Hillary Clinton called them "horrific".

The Republican party nominee has said "these words don't reflect who I am... I apologise".

Bush joined the Today team in August, having been anchor of Access Hollywood since 2009 and co-host of Access Hollywood Live since 2010.

Mr Oppenheim said that there would be a "further review" of the matter and did not say how long Mr Bush would be suspended for.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37605883
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Lash
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 06:24 am
One review:

“I’m a Muslim, and I would like to report a crazy man threatening a woman on a stage in Missouri.”

Moustafa Bayoumi, author of “This Muslim American Life” and professor at Brooklyn College, CUNY

revelette2
 
  3  
Mon 10 Oct, 2016 07:20 am
@DrewDad,
The whole night was depressing starting from that paid little stunt of Trump's which I admit paid off, (I think Hillary was furious the whole night and I don't blame her) to watching Trump stalk and loom over Hillary all night. However, she held her cool and was way more intelligent in her answers looking directly at the people in the crowd which Trump couldn't do.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 07:46 am
@revelette2,
Good point, tRump was extremely unfocused and crude and rude. And he kept on sniffling all through the thing.

Why won't he just blow his nose instead of seeming as if he packed his nose in blow????
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 08:01 am
Mr. Khan’s Response is Perfect...
POLITICSTrump Said His Son Would Be Alive If He Was President. Mr. Khan’s Response is Perfect

“The only thing that #TrumpSacrifices is the truth.”



http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/10/trump-said-son-alive-president-mr-khans-response-perfect/
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 08:10 am
The best analysis of last night's debate I've seen!
"...Donald Trump Showcases His Dark Soul"
(Sorry if someone else posted it.)

David Corn: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-second-debate-st-louis

It was appropriate—big league!—that the second presidential debate essentially began with the video that captured Donald Trump, the GOP nominee, bragging about committing sexual assault. Not just because this was the yuge story of the week. Finally, the 2016 So You Want To Be President reality show has zeroed in on the paramount issue of this election cycle: Trump's soul.

Most election years, candidates and pundits nobly assert that policy issues are the important stuff. Taxes, the economy, national security, health care, climate change, education, social welfare programs, reproductive rights, immigration, trade—that's what the contenders are supposed to debate, at least when they face off directly. And, certainly, presidential contests are also driven (perhaps largely) by questions related to the personality and experience of the candidates. And much of this did come up during Sunday night's debate. Trump and Hillary Clinton sparred over Syria, Obamacare, taxes, and energy policy and tussled over whose past best prepares them to be president. But one matter loomed larger than all of that: what's inside Trump?

Throughout the 100-minute-long face-off, Trump did not change his style. He was combative, angry, and mean, as he stalked about the stage during the town hall-style event. He said that were he to win the White House, he would prosecute Clinton and promised to toss her in jail. This was throwing a blood-dripping bone to his "lock her up" base. Were this anything like a normal election, this Trump vow—which undermines democratic rule—would be the screaming headline out of the debate. This year, it's just another thing Trump said. He also declared of Clinton, "She has tremendous hate in her heart." As if threatening to imprison your political opponent is not a thuggish act of demagoguery and hatred.

As for the video, Trump repeated his weak spin that it was just "locker-room talk." (So was he lying to Billy Bush about having actually groped and kissed women without their consent?) There was no contrition. And Trump quickly pivoted to assail Bill Clinton, noting that the Trump campaign had invited to the debate several women who had accused the former president of sexual assault or harassment. Yes, the fellow who claimed that it was time to put the video to the side and move on was arguing that an important matter these days is Bill Clinton's behavior two and three decades ago. Kellyanne Conway and David Bossie, two top Trump campaign aides, are veterans of the right-wing get-Clinton cabal of the 1990s. But they may have forgotten that the Clintons did manage to win the Clinton wars. Ultimately, this creepy move was born of frustration. Much of the Republican Party had finally dumped Trump, and, as one former Trump adviser told me, Trump and his inner circle believed he had only one play: go nuclear. It was a crude step, debasing this campaign further, but one in sync with Trump's pettiness and malice.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 08:17 am
Second presidential debate takes the low road as attacks and slurs dominate
Source: Washington Post

The presidential campaign took a dark turn here Sunday night as Donald Trump leveled a stream of harsh charges at Hillary Clinton during their second debate, claiming she attacked women who accused her husband of sexual abuse and promising to send the former secretary of state to jail if he is president.

Reeling from the release of a 2005 video showing him crudely bragging about using his fame to force himself on women, Trump sought to salvage his candidacy by going on the offensive against Clinton.

He repeatedly interrupted the Democratic nominee. He lashed out at her with a multitude of falsehoods over her foreign and domestic policies as well as her judgment and character. He called her “a liar” and “the Devil.” And as Clinton answered voters’ questions in the town-hall-style debate, Trump lurked just an arm’s length behind her with a grimace on his face.

Clinton, while mostly restrained, showed flashes of ire at her aggressor. “Okay, Donald, I know you’re into big diversion tonight,” she said. “Anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it’s exploding and the way Republicans are leaving you.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/second-presidential-debate-takes-the-low-road-as-attacks-and-slurs-dominate/2016/10/09/d0ad5c3a-8e29-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?wpisrc=nl_politics-draw6&wpmm=1
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giujohn
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 10:16 am
It was more than apparent that he kicked her ass and wiped the floor with her... she was like a deer caught in the Headlights... She didn't know what to do.
revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Oct, 2016 11:08 am
@giujohn,
That would depend on a person's point of view, if you like bullying liars, then yes, he succeeded in his plan. If you like a controlled grown up who more interested in answering the town hall's audience questions than scoring points against Trump, then Clinton did better. Nearly everything out of that overweight bully's mouth was a lie and did him no favors in attracting those who might not be crazy over Hillary.

The following is from Nate Silver who keeps up with these things like numbers needed to win the election rather than outrageous zingers which only help his base.

The Second Debate Probably Didn’t Help Trump, And He Needed Help

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The second presidential debate on Sunday night was a strange one, with Donald Trump appearing to be on the brink of a meltdown in the first 20 to 30 minutes and then steadying himself the rest of the way. But here’s the bottom line: Based on post-debate polls, Hillary Clinton probably ended the night in a better place than she started it. And almost without question, she ended the weekend — counting the debate, the revelation on Friday of a 2005 tape in which Trump was recorded appearing to condone unwanted sexual contact against women, and the Republican reaction to the tape — in an improved position.

At times during the past two weeks, but particularly on Saturday afternoon as prominent Republicans were denouncing or unendorsing Trump one after another, it has seemed like Trump’s campaign is experiencing the political equivalent of a stock market crash. By that I mean: There’s some bad news that triggers the crash, and there’s also an element of panic and herd behavior, and it becomes hard to tell exactly which is which. At some point, the market usually finds its footing, as the stock has some fundamental value higher than zero. But it can be a long way down before it does.



At roughly the 20-minute mark of Sunday’s debate — about the point at which Trump said that he’d appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton and that she’d “be in jail” if someone like him had been president — it seemed prudent to wonder whether Trump’s campaign was over. I don’t mean over in a literal sense (it would be almost impossible to replace Trump on the ballot). But over in the sense that we knew the outcome of the election for all intents and purposes, to a higher degree of confidence than FiveThirtyEight’s statistical models — which gave Clinton “only” about an 80 percent chance of winning heading into the debate — alone implied. (The polls — and therefore the models — have not yet had time to capture any effect from the Trump tape revelations.)

After all, the past two weeks have gone about as badly as possible for Trump. After having drawn the race to a fairly close position, Trump took one of the most lopsided defeats ever at the first debate in New York on Sept. 26. Then he engaged in a weeklong battle with a former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado, which the Clinton campaign gleefully egged on. Then the story broke that Trump had claimed losses of more than $900 million in 1995 and perhaps had not paid federal income taxes for 18 years.

But wait, there’s more! After a relatively effective vice presidential debate for Mike Pence earlier in the week — although it didn’t appear to have helped Trump in the polling — The Washington Post dropped its story about the tape Friday afternoon. By Saturday, Republican defections were getting bad enough that Trump was fending off rumors that Pence would quit the race. And then Trump began his Sunday evening at a makeshift press conference that featured three women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual harassment or sexual assault and a fourth woman who was raped by a man Hillary Clinton represented at trial in 1975. The Bill Clinton sex story might be of interest to Drudge Report readers and parts of Trump’s base, but most Americans are tired of hearing about it, at least in an election in which Bill Clinton isn’t running for office. And then in the first 20 minutes of the debate, Trump brought up the Bill Clinton accusations again and threatened to imprison Hillary Clinton, without showing any of the contrition that Republican leaders were calling for.

But Trump made it through the rest of the debate with a relatively good performance — or at least, so I thought. He was oftentimes meandering but fairly measured, and he was effective at pressing Clinton on Obamacare and her email server, for instance. The key term, however, is “relatively.” I’ve covered enough debates to know that other than in the really obvious cases, it can be hard to judge how voters will perceive a performance. So you grasp on to what you can find: prediction markets, which began to show Trump rebounding about halfway through the debate; real-time reaction from focus groups; and the sentiment of other journalists.

This inevitably introduces the possibility of groupthink and various other biases, such as judging a candidate’s performance relative “to expectations” (i.e., relative to the media’s expectations, not the voters’ expectations) instead of in any absolute sense. Once expectations were lowered to the point that we in the media were speculating about whether Trump’s own running mate might drop out, any half-decent performance was bound to look good.

It’s not clear that voters judge debates in the same way, however. A CNN poll of debate watchers found that even though most voters thought Trump exceeded expectations, 57 percent of them nevertheless declared Clinton the winner, compared with 34 percent for Trump. A YouGov poll of debate watchers showed a much closer outcome, but with Clinton also winning, 47 percent to 42 percent.

These instant-reaction polls actually do have a correlation with post-debate horse-race polls: The candidate who wins the former usually gains in the latter. Perhaps Clinton’s win was modest enough that this will be an exception, especially given that the sentiments of pundits and television commentators (which sometimes matter as much as the debate itself) were all over the map.


More at the source.
revelette2
 
  3  
Mon 10 Oct, 2016 11:32 am
Fact check: Trump's and Clinton's false and misleading claims in second debate

Quote:
• Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11% of total energy consumed in 2015.

• Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.

• Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.

• Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.

• Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”

• Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.

• Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.

• Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.

• Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10%. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.

• Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.

• Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.

• Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.

• Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.

• The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.

• Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”

• Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.

And there were more claims that we’ve heard before on trade, foreign affairs and nuclear weapons.

The second of three presidential debates was held on Oct. 9 at Washington University in St. Louis. The much-anticipated town-hall-style matchup came as both candidates were facing renewed scrutiny: Trump for lewd comments about women made in 2005 but just released on Oct. 7, and Clinton for the public release of hacked emails from her campaign. As in the first debate, we found plenty of distortions of fact.
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