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How will Trump handle losing the election?

 
 
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 03:47 pm
@blatham,
which sometimes engage people; in this case, a lot of people are into varieties of hating that he feeds.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 04:26 pm
@ossobucotemp,
For sure. He tells simple stories for simple minds - good versus evil, black versus white, and I'm the hero who can save you.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 04:28 pm
Jon Chait has a seriously smart piece up now. I hope folks take the time to read it.
Quote:
How Donald Trump Outsmarted George Will
On April 29, George F. Will, the high priest of the conservative temple, formally excommunicated Donald Trump from the movement. Will’s judgment was as sweeping as it was certain. Should Trump win the nomination, a still-uncertain prospect at the time, conservatives must work to deny him the presidency, Will declared, ideally via a 50-state landslide. Will expressed his hope that a leading conservative, like Nebraska senator Ben Sasse, would lead a Republican party in exile through the election to defeat Trump. And then, afterward, Will pronounced any Republicans who had supported Trump would be “ineligible to participate in the party’s reconstruction.”

It’s instructive to read Will’s column, brimming with ideological confidence and fervor, six months later. None of his expectations has remotely come to pass. There is no army following behind him. The notion that the anti-Trump wing could cast the pro-Trump wing out of the party is preposterous. The column today currently has less less resemblance to the pronouncement of a conservative pope than to Will Ferrell in Old School, proclaiming that everybody is going streaking...
http://nym.ag/2e3qrEP

ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 04:55 pm
@blatham,
I read George Will for years, usually but not always in disagreement but listening, back when I did a lot of news subscribing.

I'm no one to suggest what republicans that republicans should listen to. I'd say, give suggestion to those that can read, but I know that is demeaning and largely not true.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 05:06 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Sorry darlin' but I don't quite get paragraph two. Could you flesh that out a bit?
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 05:12 pm
@glitterbag,
I've got a word. Noxious. I cant stand to even look at him.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 06:05 pm
@ossobucotemp,
That is decipherable. I do have republicans I admire or don't mind that, I am fine with their conversations..
I don't have the mode to tell them what to do.

The second sentence was me, mulling. I do figure some are not the brightest bulbs, but I don't assume that.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 06:23 pm
Most republicans I know don't love tRump. They hate Hillary. 24 years of lying invective has made its mark. The republicans have taken a page out of the Russian play book when it comes to brainwashing the feeble minded. tRumps supporters.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 06:30 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Why did Republican primary voters forgive Trump’s heresies? Because the power of the charge of un-conservative behavior is the implication that you are not really on our side. Trump proved to the party base he was one of them through his racism, sexism, and blunt nationalism. Those impulses are the essence of conservative political identity at the voting level. Political scientist Matt Grossman has a new poll of Michigan statewide voters. Look at the responses to the question of whether generations of slavery and discrimination have made it harder for African-Americans to rise, sorted by presidential-vote preference. People who like Clinton are the ones who acknowledge that black people face structural disadvantages, and people who like Trump are the ones who deny it:


that pretty much covers off what I hear/see of America. I kind of hate having to talk to some of my American colleagues these days. I have to really restrain myself from asking them why they are not too embarrassed to say the racist/sexist things they do. There is a noticeable change from 15/10/5/2 years ago. They really think it's ok to be known for their racist/sexist views.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 06:33 pm
@ehBeth,
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The conservative intelligentsia is right about one thing.

Trump is not a committed ideologue but a grifter who decided to use their voters for his own ends.

Trump grasped from the outset that the birther issue gave him a connection to the Republican electorate.

The conservative intelligentsia ignored the birthers, the freaks, and the transparent racists because they were embarrassing. It was far more flattering and heroic to imagine the whole thing was about the Constitution.

The con artist swindled the perfect mark.


it would make me laugh if I didn't want to cry for a country I've really loved being a neighbour to for a long time
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 07:01 pm
@ehBeth,
me too
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 07:33 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Quote:
Why did Republican primary voters forgive Trump’s heresies? Because the power of the charge of un-conservative behavior is the implication that you are not really on our side. Trump proved to the party base he was one of them through his racism, sexism, and blunt nationalism. Those impulses are the essence of conservative political identity at the voting level. Political scientist Matt Grossman has a new poll of Michigan statewide voters. Look at the responses to the question of whether generations of slavery and discrimination have made it harder for African-Americans to rise, sorted by presidential-vote preference. People who like Clinton are the ones who acknowledge that black people face structural disadvantages, and people who like Trump are the ones who deny it:


that pretty much covers off what I hear/see of America. I kind of hate having to talk to some of my American colleagues these days. I have to really restrain myself from asking them why they are not too embarrassed to say the racist/sexist things they do. There is a noticeable change from 15/10/5/2 years ago. They really think it's ok to be known for their racist/sexist views.


Who are these people that you are hanging with? I live among the very Americans that you are talking about and we are not walking around spouting off racist and sexist stuff all day.

I like Trump for President. Do you consider me to be sexist or racist?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 07:45 pm
@McGentrix,
Your support of a known sexist and racist without other redeeming value would put you in that group. He has also scammed people.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:18 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Who are these people that you are hanging with? I live among the very Americans that you are talking about and we are not walking around spouting off racist and sexist stuff all day.


KKK leaders were always quite civil and polite in the daytime hours. They were dignified pillars of the community.

Racists are kept in check by political correctness, which is why they're always sounding off against political correctness. They love Trump because he can be open about his feelings on things.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:26 pm
@Kolyo,
Quote:

KKK leaders were always quite civil and polite in the daytime hours. They were dignified pillars of the community.

Racists are kept in check by political correctness, which is why they're always sounding off against political correctness. They love Trump because he can be open about his feelings on things.


Many if not most of trump supporters are decent human beings but many of them have the same flaws as liberals or so called progressives.
You probably have love ones among your own family that share different political views than you. Sure one of you have a better working model of morality but we all get morality wrong to one degree or another.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:27 pm
@Kolyo,
They also wear pointy hats that covers their faces. They come out at the dark of night to burn down black churches. That should be a https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/01/why-racists-burn-black-churches/?client=safari
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Your support of a known sexist and racist without other redeeming value would put you in that group. He has also scammed people.


Do you find Hillary as innocent as a snow white lamb?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They also wear pointy hats that covers their faces. They come out at the dark of night to burn down black churches.


We have evil behaving people among us all. Do you find these people who wear pointy hats that covers their faces to be more of a threat than any other gang affecting your community?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:45 pm
@reasoning logic,
Are you?
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