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How will Trump handle losing the election?

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:46 am
@McGentrix,
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The media doesn't like Trump

Well, that's mainly true. Of course that might have something to do with who Trump is.

But you probably ought not to single out "the media" here. As Condi Rice said, she was going to be very happy on Nov 9. And then there's your second last GOP president who has said he's voting for Clinton. And there's Colin Powell who doesn't like Trump too. Not to mention the two dozen or so Republicans who contributed to the National Reviews special issue directed towards the goal of stopping Trump (no precedent for that one). And there's the sitting GOP office holders who reject Trump or wish to have absolutely nothing to do with him. Or there's the former RNC chairman who refuses to vote for Trump (and he's actually the sixth former RNC chair to oppose Trump). And there's Barbara Bush who's disavowed the man. And let's not forget Romney who as you know ain't supporting Trump. And Jeb has said he's not voting for Trump. Or Rove, who described Trump as "a complete idiot". Heck, Norm Coleman said he's not voting for Trump. And same with Christine Todd Whitman and John Huntsman and Vin Webber and Mel Martinez and Ken Mehlman and John Warner and...sorry, getting sore fingers but that just scratches the surface of Republicans who don't like Trump.

So, maybe this ain't about media at all.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:50 am
@blatham,
That's fair and true. There are quiet a few career politicians and those in bed with the same that frown upon an outsider coming in to disturb the status quo.

It's best for them to appear to be against Trump. The sick thing about it though, were Trump up by 12 points, those same people would be backing him like there was no tomorrow. They'd all be in Trump's back pocket doing whatever he asked.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:55 am
@McGentrix,
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The media doesn't like Trump and there is a preponderance of evidence to support that and I am sure that you are aware of the repeated negative press that the Trump campaign has endured.

Trump has certainly made some mistakes along the way and his message looks like a drunken stumble instead of the nice straight line of someone so practiced and corrupt as Clinton 2. That's the thing though. Trump is not a politician and he hasn't had years of lying through his smile like many others. That's why he won the primary and is also why the race is as close as it is.


This is a silly argument. The media doesn't like Trump for the same reason the Media doesn't like Bill Cosby or John Edwards.

Trump has insulted people from women to gold-star families. He has called into question our electoral process. He has insulted Mexicans and Muslims. He has gone into debates unprepared and outclassed.

I don't know how you expect the media to treat Trump any better than they have treated him.

Trump is a fraud. He doesn't belong as the head of a national party. Sure, they elected him (which is their right) but he is unprepared, ill-tempered, racist and pathetically incompetent.

The press is treating him that way because that is the way he is. If the press were covering up the fact that he is a pathetic, hateful man... they would be doing a grave disservice to the public they serve.

The truth isn't always balanced.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:58 am
@McGentrix,
But almost every one of these individuals spoke out against Trump long before his polling collapse.

You do a disservice to your own rationality with your thesis that the gripe these people have with him is merely because he's "an outsider".
parados
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:59 am
@McGentrix,
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The sick thing about it though, were Trump up by 12 points, those same people would be backing him like there was no tomorrow.

Are you implying that the media hasn't done negative stories about Clinton?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:02 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Trump has insulted people from women to gold-star families. He has called into question our electoral process. He has insulted Mexicans and Muslims.
Today's print edition of The New York Times includes a double-page spread listing "All the People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted On Twitter Since Declaring His Candidacy for President." In alphabetical order.

http://i64.tinypic.com/20j5sfp.jpg


McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:06 am
@maxdancona,
Nonsense.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Hi Walter
I was just looking at that. There must be a lot of man-hours put into compiling that avalanche of ugly. Still, certainly worthwhile.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:08 am
@blatham,
merely because he's "an outsider"? It's more than that of course. I'm sorry if that is all that you got from my posts.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
But of course the Press and the media will cover all of the wikileaked emails about media collusion with the Clinton campaign, right? No? Didn't think they would.

But Trump's tweets make a 2-page spread? It's good that you guys can amuse yourselves anyways.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:14 am
@McGentrix,
TOday's NYT hqd a two page spread detailing all of the people(and organizations) that Trump had slandered during the campaign and the text of those slanderous statements
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:15 am
@farmerman,
Yes, they are neither fair nor balanced...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:15 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

McGentrix wrote:


The media doesn't like Trump

The media ******* loves Trump, because he's ratings gold. I despise the man, but I'm able to recognize that about him.


Trump is a solid money-maker. The media adores him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/09/20/is-the-media-biased-toward-clinton-or-trump-heres-some-actual-hard-data/

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/09/trumps-media-saturation-quantified/498389/

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Donald Trump is everywhere. It sometimes seems, and has seemed this way for several months, that the Republican nominee is all anyone can talk about.

Whether this is because the media is doing its duty or because news organizations are capitalizing on Trump’s bombast for ratings and traffic is a matter of debate. But one thing is clear: Trump is getting outsized attention compared with his opponents.

The Atlantic’s daily media tracker, which tallies television mentions of the candidates, shows Trump dominating. As of March, journalism’s obsession with Trump had totaled the equivalent of about $2 billion in free media,


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/media-study-trump-helped-clinton-hurt-224300

http://www.mediaite.com/online/harvard-study-says-media-coverage-built-up-trump-tore-down-hillary/
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:17 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
It's almost as if they are giving up on the whole democracy thing.


It's certainly hampered democracy in other countries. Follow the link for the full article which is longer and more detailed.

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It's the most entertaining campaign ever and the essence of American politics is entertainment."

The view of one 19-year-old Chinese student watching the US presidential race from Beijing.

He's not the only one laughing. Whether Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump wins on 8 November, the Chinese Communist Party believes it is already a winner.

For decades it has said that American democracy is a sham, rigged by and for a narrow elite. Now the Republican candidate for the White House says the same.

For decades Beijing has smarted under American disapproval for locking up political enemies. Now Donald Trump says "crooked Hillary" should be in jail, and that he "can't wait to begin the purge of liberals from America".

Purges and political prosecutions are staples of the Chinese Communist Party rule book, but no-one, least of all in China, expects that rule book to provide any guide for the United States. And then there's the trading of personal insults and allegations about Clinton's mishandling of emails and Trump's treatment of women.

"The race to the bottom will make people rethink the value of democracy," commented one Chinese state-owned newspaper. Another said the presidential race had become "an unprecedented joke".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada
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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 10:56 am
@McGentrix,
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The media doesn't like Trump and there is a preponderance of evidence to support that and I am sure that you are aware of the repeated negative press that the Trump campaign has endured.

I agree that the media doesn't like Trump. I also believe the reason the media doesn't like Trump is simply because he is a bad person who is constantly doing and saying bad things. I agree that Trump has gotten more negative press from the media than Clinton. Why shouldn't he. Simply put, there is way more negative news to report on Trump than there is on Clinton. Trump is his own worse enemy. Everyday, the world is wondering what dumb thing is Trump going to do or say today. The media should report way more negative news on Trump than Clinton. There is so much more negative news on Trump to report. Only person to blame for this is Trump himself. It's not the media's fault. It's not Clinton's fault.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 12:21 pm
@Real Music,
[quoteI agree that Trump has gotten more negative press from the media than Clinton.[/quote]

I don't. Trump has had a rough couple of months, but before that the press pretty much took Trump at face value. Clinton has been under the microscope for decades.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 01:02 pm
@engineer,
I posted this once before, but it is still interesting. It's worth reading the entire article, but I have excerpted it below for those looking to skim. This was written in early July so it has a primary bent to it.

Confessions of a Clinton reporter: The media's 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary

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1) Everything, no matter how ludicrous-sounding, is worthy of a full investigation by federal agencies, Congress, the "vast right-wing conspiracy," and mainstream media outlets
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The original source of alleged malfeasance could come from the other party, within a politician's party, or from the reporter's own observations and industrious digging. But two things are crystal clear: If there's no investigation, there's no scandal. And if there's no scandal, there's no scalp.

2) Every allegation, no matter how ludicrous, is believable until it can be proven completely and utterly false. And even then, it keeps a life of its own in the conservative media world.

In touring the country to promote our book in 2014, my co-author and I were repeatedly lobbied to assert that Clinton is a lesbian. One gentleman pushed the issue during a Q&A at a Barnes and Noble on the Upper West Side of Manhattan — one of the few places you might expect that kind of thing to get a rest.

The National Enquirer published a story in April alleging that Clinton wiped her personal email server clean because it contained references to her lesbian lovers.

Meanwhile, the conservative media are also convinced Clinton is preparing to wage a war on Christianity if she wins the presidency. But one thing revealed in her State Department emails is that Clinton shared daily religious reflections with her friends.

3) The media assumes that Clinton is acting in bad faith until there's hard evidence otherwise.

One outgrowth of Clinton's terrible relationship with reporters is that journalists often assume she is acting in bad faith. There's good reason for that. Though she's added some new pros to her press staff for this campaign, her operation's stance toward the media was always a reflection of the way Bill Clinton's White House handled journalists.

Back in the mid-1990s, Bill Clinton relied on a series of Machiavellian spin doctors to keep the press at bay. With the Clinton White House, the modus operandi was to stonewall as long as possible, lie if necessary — or just out of habit — and turn questions around on the questioners. After all, Bill Clinton once wagged his finger at a press conference and told reporters, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman ... Ms. Lewinsky." He'd lied in a deposition, too.

So the press has plenty of precedent for believing that when the Clintons aren't forthcoming — and sometimes, even when they are — they're covering something up. And the Clintons, given the history of some-smoke-no-fire investigations launched against them, have plenty of precedent for being mistrustful of the press. The result is a brutally dysfunctional relationship on both sides. The Clintons believe the press acts in bad faith, and the press believes the Clintons' attitudes toward the press are evidence that the Clintons are hiding something.

4) Everything is newsworthy because the Clintons are the equivalent of America's royal family

When Clinton keynoted an annual fundraiser for David Axelrod's epilepsy charity in June 2013, several major news outlets sent reporters to cover the speech. That was more than three years before the 2016 election. Every word, every gesture, every facial expression is scrutinized.

Video of Clinton ordering a burrito bowl at a Chipotle became the first viral image of her campaign. Reporters gave fodder to late-night comedians earlier this year when they made a mad dash to catch up as her campaign van rolled by.

This coverage of every last detail, of course, isn't a one-way street. It wasn't until a reporter was tipped off to the Chipotle visit that anyone knew about it. She craves the attention even more than she detests it.

But that, too, has a distorting effect. As with the royal family in London, normally private moments become part of a public narrative: her husband's affair, her daughter's wedding, the birth of her granddaughter.

All the attention has the effect of making Clinton seem, to the casual observer, hungrier for press than even the average politician.

5) Everything she does is fake and calculated for maximum political benefit

For someone who lost a big lead in the 2008 presidential primary and is ceding ground to Bernie Sanders right now, Clinton is given a lot of credit for her political acumen. Her detractors see in every move, including the birth of her granddaughter, a grandly conceived and executed political calculation.

Clinton’s flaunting of her grandchild is one of the most transparently cynical and sentimental acts of a major American politician that I can recall. We have had presidents who have been parents, and we have had presidents who have been grandparents. But a campaign based on grandparental solidarity? A novelty.

And Clinton plays into that by using the positives in her life for political gain.

That doesn't make her different from other candidates for the presidency — it makes her just like them.

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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 01:17 pm
@engineer,
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Trump has had a rough couple of months, but before that the press pretty much took Trump at face value. Clinton has been under the microscope for decades.

I agree. You are correct on both points. The media allowed Trump to get away with lies all throughout the primaries without being fact checked. The media didn't start fact checking Trump until after the completion of the first Trump vs Clinton debate. After Trump's first debate with Clinton, the fact checking started happening instantly and non-stop. Also Clinton has been under a microscope and under scrutiny from the media and the republican party for decades. The media for decades has shown that they are definitely not cozy with Clinton.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 02:44 pm
@Krumple,
Gungakrump

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