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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 07:59 am
Thanks for the link and the laugh, PDid.

I am relatively confident that with snake handling used car salesman leading the charge against GWB, he will be re-elected in a landslide.
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Because I am pretty certain that Billy Claude didn't vote Gore in 2000 (I am certain of this without him saying so),


Taking a page from blatham and his "mind reading" I see, that's good.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 08:39 am
max

Re the mind reader thing....it does explain why I have some problem with you.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 08:41 am
...tabla rasa
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 08:48 am
phrenology
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 09:28 am
bumps on head?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 11:24 am
"I'd tell them to admit what they knew, what they didn't know, and to stop playing games with us."
--Former Reagan Administration official Lawrence Korb, on adminstration evasiveness about their intelligence on Iraq's WMD.

"I'm the commander. See, I don't need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." -- Bush to Bob Woodward, in "Bush at War"
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 11:30 am
Well done, PDiddie. May today's unusual cool breeze reach the coast and reward you!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:04 pm
Like father like son.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2003 09:11 am
Does Barbara Bush wake at nights in a cold sweat?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2003 10:52 am
The Financial Times advises us to worry -- our credibility is at stake:

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Coming clean on dirty weapons
Published: June 5 2003 5:00 | Last Updated: June 5 2003 5:00

It should be standard practice, after every war, to have an inquest to see how prewar intelligence matches up to postwar reality. But after the Iraq conflict, it is essential. The inquiries now in train on both sides of the Atlantic must answer the very damaging accusations that intelligence was politically manipulated to exaggerate the threat posed by Baghdad's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and therefore to justify the war. The result of the inquiries by parliament and the US Congress will determine in large part the credibility of their governments.

The WMD issue should not be minimised by the legal nicety that Iraq's defiance of successive United Nations resolutions was sufficient justification for the war. Nor can it be subsumed in the various political rationales for removing Saddam Hussein as a tyrant and serial abuser of human rights. For it was the claim that Iraq's WMD were a clear and present danger that was used to tip the US to an extent, and Britain decisively, into war. And so far no such weaponry has been found.

In the UK, Tony Blair yesterday flatly denied the charge of political tampering with the assessment of his joint intelligence committee (JIC) by, for instance, claiming that some of Iraq's WMD weapons could be fired within 45 minutes of a launch order. This claim, the prime minister insisted, came from the intelligence services.

The latter have been unwisely undermined by the assertion by John Reid, leader of the Commons, that "rogue elements" in the spy service are out to get the government. But it should be easy enough for the inquiry by parliament's intelligence and security committee to check the veracity of Mr Blair's claim of non-interference. It is true this cross-party body takes evidence in private and reports to the government. But arrangements governing an independent inquiry, such as the Franks commission after the Falklands war, would not differ greatly. Mr Blair has promised to publish the intelligence committee's report, which will be possible to cross-check with the findings of the foreign affairs committee's parallel inquiry.

The Bush administration is not under such direct fire for rigging intelligence to suit its belligerent case. But Congress's powerful armed services and intelligence committees have launched inquiries. These will focus mainly on whether and how the enormous US intelligence machine got it wrong on Iraq's WMD. But Congress should go on to ask why. For the signs are that much intelligence came from Iraqi exiles and defectors.

The contamination of intelligence on Iraq from patently self-serving sources may not worry Americans, who may feel any means justified the end of Mr Hussein. But it should concern them, as well as countries such as Britain that draw heavily from US sources of intelligence. The troubling questions raised by Iraq need settling if US calls to action over WMD in countries such as Iran are to command support.


And I think we should worry because an administration (or Congress) should never, ever lie about matters which so deeply affect the nation. And because a people should never say, As long as an administration gets "the job" done, it doesn't concern us how they do it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2003 11:36 am
As posted in another forum about Blix's statement that the Bush WH had no patience with Blix and the UN Inspectors to find Iraq's WMD's, but now after they've killed thousands and spent billions, they seek our patience. How sick! c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2003 03:09 pm
There are many, many websites devoted to Bush's lies. The first is my favorite, and then I tossed in some more in case anyone needs more ammunition!

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

http://www.whodies.com/lies.html

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bushlies1.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2083852/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2003 04:10 pm
That's not a "credibility" gap. It's a "truth" gap - none. c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2003 04:19 pm
I was kinda taken with the URL of the first link, Ci, weren't you?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2003 04:29 pm
Yes, What happened to all the people that keeps trusting GWBush? c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 08:20 am
Neal Gabler, former movie reviewer, has been coming out with some very good stuff lately. See excerpts from yesterday's LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-gabler8jun08,1,4967319.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions):


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Please read the whole article: it gives Democrats a full picture of the enemy at the gates.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2003 06:00 pm
c.i., they gotta find him first!

Here is a URL to the bunker busting Nuclear bomb:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE30Ak01.html


Hear the story from NPR:

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Pentagon Study of Mini-Nuclear Weapons Nears Approval
Congress moves closer to giving the Pentagon permission to study -- though not to develop -- small nuclear weapons potent enough to destroy underground facilities in a precise fashion. Supporters argue that such weapons might cause fewer unintended deaths and injuries above ground, but fallout remains a concern. NPR's Tom Gjelten reports.

http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=2&prgDate=June/10/2003
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2003 06:00 pm
BillW, This administration is still trying to find a way to kill Saddam. c.i.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2003 06:00 pm
The playwright Harold Pinter last night likened George W. Bush's administration to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, saying the US was charging towards world domination while the American public and Britain's "mass-murdering" prime minister sat back and watched.

Pinter, 72, was at the National Theatre in London to read from War, a new collection of his anti-war poetry that had been published in the press in response to events in Iraq.

In conversation on stage with Michael Billington, the Guardian's theatre critic, Pinter said the US government was the most dangerous power that had ever existed....

The playwright said: "The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany.

"Nazi Germany wanted total domination of Europe and they nearly did it. The US wants total domination of the world and is about to consolidate that.

"In a policy document, the US has used the term 'full-spectrum domination', that means control of land, sea, air and space, and that is exactly what's intended and what the US wants to fulfil. They are quite blatant about it."

The Guardian
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2003 06:00 pm
And, to our knowledge, they didn't get him.

I think one of the saddest examples of our Administrations intelligences is that in the midst of the war they bombed a house Saddam was believed to be having a meeting in a fortified bunker. After going through the house after the war, there wasn't even a bunker.

Who was killed in that house and neighborhood? They don't even care.

Footnote: There is a Republican push to build deployable nuclears that will go underground to taken out deep, otherwise unreachable targets. These nuclears would be used regardless of first strike priorities. ie, They would be used regardless of circumstances.

The science from both Republican as well as Democratic experts say that there is no way any bomb could go deep enough to not waste the entire area for years to come, for many miles all around. If they could, the burden of going that deep would use up all the tonnage so that the payload would be too small to acheive any positive results. Plus, they would still not be able to reach the deepest targets.

It is being debated in the Senate right now. This isn't science fiction.
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