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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:31 pm
blatham wrote:
george

Were you aware that the Elizabethan catholics believed that the entrance to Purgatory was via a cave beneath Ireland?


No. But I did hear that the entrance to hell was through Oliver Cromwell's xxs.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:38 pm
george

That sounds quite possible. Please verify and get back to us.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:53 pm
blatham wrote:
george

That sounds quite possible. Please verify and get back to us.



(I should have known better!)

Don't plant to go there. However I do have an Irish passport and am looking seriously at a place in Kenmare. (perhaps the cave is nearby.)
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:56 pm
ps

That datum is from a really wonderful piece by Adam Gopnick on a new Shakespeare book.
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/?040913crat_atlarge
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:59 pm
"Adam Gopnick" ??? What a name! - only the English .... (Perhaps it is GOPnick)
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 07:09 am
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/static/thisland.html

Here's a fun place to visit.........enjoy.
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Chuckster
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 07:23 am
Is this still "replacement" talk or "Rather" blather? Blather.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 08:39 am
This is just speculation on my part, but I'll be unsurprised if Memogate/Rather Blather turns out to be of great assistance in further solidifying the Republican lead in the polls ... all the way through The Big One on Nov. 2.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 09:09 am
I think it's typically something most people just shrug about, just like they would've shrugged if the allegations had turned out to be true.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 07:34 pm
Let's talk about getting rid of him tomorrow.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2004 07:35 pm
It doesn't occur to them while they are enjoying the ride that the polls may be quite inaccurate.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 07:53 am
Quote:
Molly Ivins



Saturday, September 11, 2004

We Know He's Lying

AUSTIN, Texas --- Oh for heaven's sake, doesn't anyone know how to research a story anymore? I have never seen anything as silly as this ridiculous Republican chorus that, aha!, Ben Barnes is a Democrat and so we know he's lying!

The question is not whether Ben Barnes is a Democrat. Ben Barnes has never claimed to be nonpartisan or not to have any affiliation with the Kerry campaign. Of course he does. He's been a major Democratic player for years. The question is whether Ben Barnes is telling the truth about how he got George W. Bush in the Texas Air National Guard.

The ridiculous little blowhard Sean Hannity crowed on Fox "News" that "Ben Barnes testified under oath in 1999 that no member of the Bush family ever contacted him about getting into the Air National Guard." How true. Nor has he changed his story one whit. Barnes testified in 1999 that the man who called him about little George Bush was Sid Adger, Poppy George Bush's dear and good friend. Let's ask Poppy about Sid Adger and see some of that "famous Bush loyalty."

And how would Adger know whom to call? Adger had two sons in that very unit of the Air National Guard, that's how he knew whom to call. The notorious "Champagne Unit" of the Guard was also graced by the son of former Gov. John Connally, both sons of Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, Bobby Sakowaitz (Houston department store money), the grandson of H.L. Hunt (Dallas Oil) and several players for the Dallas Cowboys football team. Anyone who thinks that is just a coincidence or some kind of freaking accident probably thinks Sean Hannity is a journalist.

I listened to Dick Armey chuckle about how "everybody in Texas knows Ben Barnes is a partisan Democrat," as though that were enough to discredit him. Is it possible to be a nonpartisan Democrat? I'll tell you something else damn near everybody in the Texas political world has known for years, and that is that during the Vietnam War Ben Barnes was the guy you went to if you wanted to keep your kid out of Vietnam. All you had to do (if you were a player) was call him, and he'd call Gen. Rose at the Guard. Our late Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock told me that at least 30 years ago: It was almost common knowledge in Austin. Barnes never talked about it because he was ashamed of it. I admire him for coming out with it and for taking the heat for it now -- he knew this would be no picnic.

I didn't write about Barnes' actions until 1999 because I couldn't get evidence. Then the 1999 lawsuit -- at which Ben Barnes testified and said exactly what he is saying now -- finally forced it out.

Recall that Texas was then, as now, a conservative one-party state. I was with the anti-Lyndon Johnson, pro-Ralph Yarborough (a progressive state senator) faction, and Barnes was the darling of the establishment wing. One of those television fools asked indignantly why Barnes would do a favor for a Republican congressman like Bush. Well, Sid Adger asked him to.

Listen, my children, and you shall hear: There was then no nasty partisan politics in Texas except inside the Democratic Party. The Republicans were upper-class establishment types, and the tradition of Texas Republicans and Texas Democrats working and playing well together continued, actually, until the Republicans took over, when it ended with a bang.

If you doubt me, ask George W. Bush about Bob Bullock and Pete Laney, the lieutenant governor and speaker when he was governor. As Bullock himself used to say, "It's all done on friendship." Republicans like Ken Lay regularly contributed to Democratic officeholders in order to have influence with them.

I've spent my life fighting against those cozy relationships, where power and favors are traded among insiders and regular people get screwed. Barnes used to stand for everything I disliked about politics. He and John Connally (by then a Republican) were partners in the real estate business and went broke back in '80s, along with a lot of other people. Barnes is still playing the Texas power game, but he's backed a lot of people for public office who aren't going to help his business any, which I consider the test of an honest player. Dick Armey's contemptuous dismissal of Barnes leads me to wonder how he would describe what "everybody in Texas" knows about the way Tom DeLay practices politics.

The only reason any of this is relevant today is because it speaks directly to the character of the man in the White House. For Bush to still stand there and deny that he got no special breaks, to deny that some other American kid went to Vietnam in his stead, is so telling of his moral blindness, of his deliberate obtuseness about the way the world of power and privilege screws over most people. If only he had the grace to say, as Barnes did, that he is ashamed of what happened, I'd have some respect for him.


It's an example of how Bush gets away with dismissing everything. He just gives a little smirk, giggles and says, "awh.........I didn't do it, and neither did my daddy." So that clears everything up. As if it's not as easy as pie to take the next step, the question, "well, ok then, which family friend did it for you?" Too bad many Fox News watchers don't seem to think of this question. Maybe that's why they watch Fox.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 08:04 am
Naw, they watch Fox because they are tired of Rather and his ilk reporting as though they are being paid through the DNC. In the same way you probably believe that the anchors at Fox are being paid by the RNC.

So I figure it is all even. You can watch the news which slants everything your way, Repubs can watch the news which slants things their way and everybody is happy except those who long for the days of honest reporting.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 10:31 am
I watched Fox for about 2 hours yesterday. All they talked about was John Kerry and how bad he will be for America.

The whole time.

And you're not telling me it's partisan crap, worse so than any other alphabet network?

Cycloptichorn
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 10:43 am
I do believe Fox is equally partisan, despite their claims of "fair and balanced".

However I also believe that Fox is more direct and open in its presentation of "news" than the others. It is the exaggerated claims of objectivity on the part of the three principal networks that most of us find so offensive. CBS' pretense of detachment and objectivity during the past few days concerning the matter of the obvioussly forged documents they presented (as evidence of what? I have never figured that one our either) is both ludicrous and supremely hypocritical. They demean themselves and they apparently don't even realize it.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 11:36 am
http://webcenter.edivu.aol.com/editorial1/mluckovich/Luckovich040801.JPG
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 12:06 pm
http://www.bartcop.com/awol-reading.jpg
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 12:07 pm
From Another Thread, but fitting here nicely;

Quote:
Memo to The Democrats:

http://www.able2know.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10156/quitdigging.jpg

Keep on diggin' ... you're doin' a fabulous job
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2004 12:10 pm
Your logic always makes me smile, Big Bird:

http://www.bartcop.com/th-lib-med.gif
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firstthought
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 07:40 pm
Change of server al a Craven
Everybody gone to sleep in this post because of server changes and and PM legal problem shutdowns.

The Debates haven't started yet.

The election is about a month away.

Bush is still preaching to the gullible and the greedy: rhetoric, semantics political semantics and doublespeak. The Polls the rough indicators approximating to guesstimation.

Can someone tell me who is orchestrating and choreographing this presidential race? I would hazard a guess that its Mel Brooks.

ft :wink: :wink: :wink:
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