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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 01:36 am
It's not a member odf the secret service pulling the woman's hair either. It's a member of the audience. Don't believe the hype Walt.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 01:40 am
So you spoke to Agent in Charge James Borasi about it?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 01:50 am
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040909/480/pajl10109091829
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 03:25 am
i don't care who he is. he needs a good set of knuckles to the cranium.

a gentleman does not do this to a woman. period.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 08:33 am
The caption (on the hair-pulling photo) may or may not be correct, but I'd suspect that McG is correct and that audience members rousted these ladies over to the secret service. The chubby old fellow with the gleeful expression who's pulling the girl's hair probably isn't secret service. And if so, that makes the two photos pretty equal.

But that's not the point. And there are two important issues here.

First, the background issue of the totalitarian media-control nature of Bush's public speeches where no one is allowed in who isn't a supporter. Can anyone here imagine Lincoln doing that?

Second, the use of the Secret Service for partisan electoral thuggery. Why not the FBI and CIA too?

The falling away from fundamental principles of the constitution and of democracy/honesty/free speech is picking up speed.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 08:35 am
Quote:
President Bush' former Harvard Business School prof says his ex-student supported the Vietnam War but wanted somebody else to fight it.
Yoshi Tsurumi said yesterday that Bush told him his father's connections got him into the Texas Air National Guard. "But what really disturbed me is that he said he was for the Vietnam War," said Tsurumi, who has also taught at Baruch College and the City University of New York. "I said, 'George, that's hypocrisy. You won't fight a war that you support but you expect other people to fight it for you.' He just smirked."
Tsurumi, who crossed paths with Bush in the early 1970s when the future President was studying for his MBA, previously has criticized Bush's economic policies and described him as a mediocre student who "believed people were poor because they were lazy."

But Tsurumi's new volley comes as Bush has been battling allegations he got preferential treatment at the height of the divisive Vietnam War. Bush, according to Tsurumi, "had no sense of guilt" about getting into the Guard while others wound up fighting in Vietnam.

"He was very casual about it," the professor said. "I said, 'Lucky you, how did you manage it?' He said, 'My dad had a good friend who put me at the head of the waiting list.'"

The White House declined to comment on Tsurumi's recollections, but Bush has denied that his father, who was a congressman at the time, pulled strings to get him a much-sought-after berth in the Guard.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/230745p-198181c.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 08:42 am
Gee whiz, bernie, W's a liar and a hypocrite and a complete moral jackass.

What's news about that?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 08:51 am
P
The other day, I watched Bush do his thing on "junk law suits". Which of course, stands in the grand tradition of "junk science".

JUNK PRESIDENCY.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 12:25 pm
and Junk political criticizim
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 12:39 pm
this'a heya ain't no junk criticism;

George W. Bush

As Texas Governor, George W. Bush was one of the "tort reform" movements biggest proponents. One of Bushs first acts as governor in 1995 was to meet with representatives of nine Texas Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse (CALA) chapters in a salsa factory outside of Austin, after which he declared a legislative "emergency" on "frivolous lawsuits." Over his two terms, Bush signed a series of brutal bills that severely reduced injured consumers' rights to go to court.

However, when it comes to solving problems involving his own family, Bush heads straight to court. In 1999, Bush sued Enterprise Rent-A-Car over a minor fender-bender involving one of his daughters in which no one was hurt. Although his insurance would have covered the repair costs, making a lawsuit unnecessary, Bush sought additional money from Enterprise, which had rented a car to someone with a suspended license. In this case, Bush seemed to understand one of the most important functions of civil lawsuits -- to deter further wrongdoing. The case settled for $2,000 to $2,500.

from tompaine.com

tompaine
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 01:49 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
this'a heya ain't no junk criticism;

George W. Bush

As Texas Governor, George W. Bush was one of the "tort reform" movements biggest proponents. One of Bushs first acts as governor in 1995 was to meet with representatives of nine Texas Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse (CALA) chapters in a salsa factory outside of Austin, after which he declared a legislative "emergency" on "frivolous lawsuits." Over his two terms, Bush signed a series of brutal bills that severely reduced injured consumers' rights to go to court.

However, when it comes to solving problems involving his own family, Bush heads straight to court. In 1999, Bush sued Enterprise Rent-A-Car over a minor fender-bender involving one of his daughters in which no one was hurt. Although his insurance would have covered the repair costs, making a lawsuit unnecessary, Bush sought additional money from Enterprise, which had rented a car to someone with a suspended license. In this case, Bush seemed to understand one of the most important functions of civil lawsuits -- to deter further wrongdoing. The case settled for $2,000 to $2,500.

from tompaine.com

tompaine


So, he wanted to change the laws regarding frivolous lawsuits and you consider that a bad thing?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 02:09 pm
mcg, read the second paragraph again. :wink:
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 02:34 pm
http://csmonitor.com/2004/0910/csmimg/cartoon.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 07:20 pm
au

that's a great cartoon!
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 07:31 pm
THE PROBLEM
President Bush and his top advisers have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon, according to senior officials with access to the intelligence.

THE SOLUTION

Attack Syria.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 07:33 pm
Alternate reading


THE PROBLEM
American's aren't scared enough yet.

THE SOLUTION
Korea
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 11:10 pm
george

Were you aware that the Elizabethan catholics believed that the entrance to Purgatory was via a cave beneath Ireland?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sat 11 Sep, 2004 11:53 pm
The more truth is revealed, the more the White House confabulates. I think he's in deep do do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

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CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos
NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2004


Questions have been raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos acquired by CBS News that say President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush was shirking his duties.

The network is defending the authenticity of the memos, which were obtained by CBS News' "60 Minutes," saying experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents roduced by Mr. Bush's former commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

In a statement, CBS News said it stands by its story.

"This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his
procedures, his character and his thinking," the statement read.

"In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement continued. "Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned."

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather says many of those raising questions about the documents have focused on something called superscript, a key that
automatically types a raised "th."

Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the 1970s. But some models did. In fact, other Bush military records already released by the White House itself show the same superscript - including one from 1968.

Some analysts outside CBS say they believe the typeface on these memos is New Times Roman, which they claim was not available in the 1970s.

But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style says it has been available since 1931.

Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley analyzed the documents for CBS News. He says he believes they are real. But he is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents, because
deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced. And the documents being analyzed
outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with.

Matley did this interview with us prior to Wednesday's "60 Minutes" broadcast. He looked at the documents and the signatures of Col. Killian, comparing known documents with the colonel's signature on the newly discovered ones.

"We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features to determine whether it's the same person or not," Matley said. "I have no problem identifying them. I would say based on our available handwriting evidence, yes, this is the
same person."

Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence.

Reached Friday by satellite, Matley said, "Since it is represented that some of them are definitely his, then we can conclude they are his signatures."

Matley said he's not surprised that questions about the documents have come up.

"I knew going in that this was dynamite one way or the other. And I knew that potentially it could do far more potential damage to me professionally than benefit me," he said. "But we seek the truth. That's what we do. You're supposed to put yourself out, to seek the truth and take what comes from it."

Robert Strong was an administrative officer for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years. He knew Jerry Killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paper work, like these documents, was Strong's specialty. He is standing by his judgment that the documents are real.

"They are compatible with the way business was done at that time," Strong said. "They are compatible with the man I remember Jerry Killian
being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation
or the people involved."

Killian died in 1984.

Strong says the highly charged political atmosphere of the National Guard at the time was perfectly represented in the new documents.

"It verged on outright corruption in terms of the favors that were done, the power that was traded. And it was unconscionable from a moral and ethical standpoint. It was unconscionable," Strong said.

The president's service record emerged as an issue during the 2000 race and again this winter. The Killian documents revived the issue of Mr.
Bush's time in uniform after weeks in which Democratic challenger John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, has faced questions over his record as a Navy officer and an anti-war protester.

The questions about Mr. Bush's service center on how Mr. Bush got into the Guard and whether he fulfilled his duties during a period from mid-1972 to mid-1973.

What the Killian memos purport to show is that Mr. Bush defied a direct order to appear for a physical exam, that his performance as an officer was lacking in other ways and that Mr. Bush used family connections to try to quash any inquiry
into his lapses.

In a separate revelation, the Boston Globe this week reported that Mr. Bush promised to sign up with a Boston-area unit when he left his Texas unit in 1973 to attend Harvard Business School. Mr. Bush never signed up with a Boston unit.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 11:16 am
Gel posted this elsewhere

The new Bush color-code alert system...

http://www.americanpolitics.com/WOWridgealert.gif
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dupre
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2004 12:00 pm
Mark
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