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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2004 10:56 am
On Dubya. http://www.praesentia.us/archives/dishonestdubya.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 04:01 pm
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/KerryvBush1.jpg
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 04:17 pm
From what the press is reporting, Bush's State of the Bunion, er, I mean Union address tonight will be telling everyone to hunker down and be satisfied with no jobs, will be screened for lies and will not present anything new other than he wants to go to Mars. Will someone please take him up on the later?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 04:39 pm
Mars is too close for my blood. Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 05:29 pm
Another Krugman article. Going for Broke
January 20, 2004
By PAUL KRUGMAN

According to advance reports, George Bush will use
tonight's State of the Union speech to portray himself as a
visionary leader who stands above the political fray. But
that act is losing its effectiveness. Mr. Bush's relentless
partisanship has depleted much of the immense good will he
enjoyed after 9/11. He is still adored by his base, but he
is deeply distrusted by much of the nation.

Mr. Bush may not understand this; indeed, he still seems to
think that he's another Lincoln or F.D.R. "No president has
done more for human rights than I have," he told Ken
Auletta.

But his political handlers seem to have decided on a
go-for-broke strategy: confuse the middle one last time,
energize the base and grab enough power that the
consequences don't matter.

What do I mean by confusing the middle? The striking thing
about the "visionary" proposals floated in advance of the
State of the Union is their transparent cynicism and lack
of realism. Mr. Bush has, of course, literally promised us
the Moon - and Mars, too. And the ever-deferential media
have managed to keep a straight face.

But that's just the most dramatic example of an array of
policy proposals that don't withstand even minimal
scrutiny. Mr. Bush has already pushed through an expensive
new Medicare benefit - without any visible source of
financing. Reports say that tonight he'll propose
additional, and even more expensive, new initiatives, like
partial Social Security privatization - which all by itself
would require at least $1 trillion in extra funds over the
next decade. Where is all this money going to come from?

Judging from the latest CBS/New York Times Poll, these
promises of something for nothing aren't likely to convince
many people. It's not just that the bounce from Saddam's
capture has already gone away. Unfavorable views of Mr.
Bush as a person have reached record levels for his
presidency. It seems fair to say that many Americans, like
most of the rest of the world, simply don't trust him
anymore.

But some Americans will respond to upbeat messages, no
matter how unrealistic. And that may be enough for Mr.
Bush, because while he poses as someone above the fray, he
is continuing to solidify his base.

The most sinister example was the recess appointment of
Charles Pickering Sr., with his segregationist past and
questionable record on voting rights, to the federal
appeals court - the day after Martin Luther King's actual
birthday. Was this careless timing? Don't be silly: it was
a deliberate, if subtle, gesture of sympathy with a part of
the Republican coalition that never gets mentioned in
public.

A less objectionable but equally calculated gesture will be
Mr. Bush's demand that his tax cuts be made permanent.
Realistically, this can't make any difference to the
economy now, and it makes no sense, given the array of new
spending plans he will simultaneously unveil. But it's a
signal to the base that any seeming moderation needn't be
taken seriously, and that the administration's hard-right
turn will continue.

Meanwhile, the lying has already begun, with the Republican
National Committee's willful misrepresentation of Wesley
Clark's prewar statements. (Why are news organizations
letting them get away with this?)

The question we should ask is, Where is all this leading?

Some cynical pundits think that Mr. Bush's advisers plan to
leave the hard work of dealing with the mess he's made to
future presidents. But I don't think that's right. I can't
see how the budget can continue along its current path
through a second Bush term - financial markets won't stand
for it.

And what about the growing military crisis? The mess in
Iraq has placed our volunteer military, a magnificent but
fragile institution, under immense strain. National Guard
and Reserve members find themselves effectively drafted as
full-time soldiers. More than 40,000 soldiers whose
enlistment terms have expired have been kept from leaving
under "stop loss" orders. This can't go on for four more
years.

Karl Rove and other insiders must know all this. So they
must figure that once they have won the election, they will
have such a complete lock on power that they can break many
of their promises with impunity.

What will they do with that lock on power? Their election
strategy - confuse the middle, but feed the base - suggests
the answer.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/20/opinion/20KRUG.html?ex=1075606388&ei=1&en=1527353643d6666e
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 06:05 pm
It's so easy to confuse the middle. Just put on an act that helping the minority of the extremely wealthy is going to bring them more money and they will swallow anything, hook, line and stinker.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 06:05 pm
(sic)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 06:41 pm
Makes you wonder why the military keeps supporting this president, doesn't it?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:12 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
It's so easy to confuse the middle. Just put on an act that helping the minority of the extremely wealthy is going to bring them more money and they will swallow anything, hook, line and stinker.


No one ever lost an election by (mis)underestimating the intelligence of the American People.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:30 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Makes you wonder why the military keeps supporting this president, doesn't it?


Not at all. In fact, i would submit that the mindset that would entertain such a notion is symptomatic of the overall malaise to which The Left has succumbed.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:41 pm
Don't succumb to the malaise, good people of The Left...

Try mustard.

I'm having some nice honey brown right now on a toasted bolillo with some peppery pastrami...

Mmm, mmm. :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 11:07 pm
Whatta trip, PDiddie; I'm snacking on shaved venison pastrami, stoneground mustard, Wisconsin Swiss Cheese, and fresh home-baked Russian Carroway Ryebread right now ... no joke!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2004 12:08 am
Yeah, I heard malaise is poison to your blood.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2004 08:37 am
timberlandko wrote:
Whatta trip, PDiddie; I'm snacking on shaved venison pastrami, stoneground mustard, Wisconsin Swiss Cheese, and fresh home-baked Russian Carroway Ryebread right now ... no joke!


See? We have more in common than either of us thought... :wink:
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 02:27 pm
I really think it is just the mayonnaise in which the Right have sunk - this just proves that the "Military" will always side with the Republicans. I guess it is thicker and sticker than one thought................

Myself, I've been sitting here eating mixed "right wing" nuts Exclamation
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 02:32 pm
With the reserves stretched to the max, and rotation is getting longer and longer in Iraq, if they find that they can support GWBush, that's their 'problem.' I can live with it if they can - for certain. I'm glad I have no family member in the military right now.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 11:37 pm
Watch the ad CBS won't play and let them know that rejecting ads because they're "controversial" just isn't right. Just click on the image below.



Dear MoveOn member,
During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer companies, tobacco companies, and the Bush White House.1 But you won't see the winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. CBS refuses to air it.2

Meanwhile, the White House is on the verge of signing into law a deal which Senator John McCain (R-AZ) says is custom-tailored for CBS and Fox,3 allowing the two networks to grow much bigger. CBS lobbied hard for this rule change; MoveOn.org members across the country lobbied against it; and now our ad has been rejected while the White House ad will be played. It looks an awful lot like CBS is playing politics with the right to free speech.

Of course, this is bigger than just the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) submitted an ad that was also rejected.4 But this isn't even a progressive-vs.-conservative issue. The airwaves are publicly owned, so we have a fundamental right to hear viewpoints from across the ideological spectrum. That's why we need to let CBS know that this practice of arbitrarily turning down ads that may be "controversial" -- especially if they're controversial simply because they take on the President -- just isn't right.

To watch the ad that CBS won't air and sign our petition to CBS, go to:
http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 07:32 am
Right to free speech? Please. No one is hindering their free speech. I always laugh when a controversial organization like MoveOn.org can't get a commercial on and then start bitching about free speech. I'd be willing to bet that the KKK doesn't get a commercial on during the superbowl either...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 07:40 am
McGentrix wrote:
Right to free speech? Please. No one is hindering their free speech. I always laugh when a controversial organization like MoveOn.org can't get a commercial on and then start bitching about free speech. I'd be willing to bet that the KKK doesn't get a commercial on during the superbowl either...


So KKK is the same in your view as MoveOn?

Interesting.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 07:43 am
In that both are exteremist organizations trying to forward their own agendas, yes.
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