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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:36 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Bush's belief that he's done so much for human rights probably has to do with the idea the he freed the Iraqis from Saddam.

That hadn't occurred to me. But now that you point it out, it seems obvious that Bush did more for human rights than second-rate presidents such as Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and that anonymous liberal who merely won a war against Nazi Germany and imperial Japan.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:44 pm
thomas

that claims is made of spandex
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:45 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:


That's the one, I quoted from and noted above :wink:
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:47 pm
Spandex? Sorry, but I'm not getting it. Must be my German sense of humor....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:47 pm
Another 'ooops' for me, Walter. Wink
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 01:49 pm
Now this is another number I like (from Harper's):

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Percentage of U.S. Muslims who said in 2000 that they would vote for George Bush: 40 [Council on American-Islamic Relations (Washington)]

Percentage who say this today: 2 [Council on American-Islamic Relations (Washington)]
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 01:50 pm
thomas

a biggggggg stretch
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 03:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Under the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), as its formally known, the agency has photographed and fingerprinted men 16 and older from 25 nations who had arrived in the US by last September.

Interesting to me that when we get to the meat of it we're not talking about targeting "Arabs" or "Muslims" at all; we're talking about people from nations with known ties to terrorism.

This inconvenience is hardly comparable to the internment of Japanese during WWII. Were I an innocent person from one of these countries, I would either accept the inconvenience just as we all accept the inconvenience of airport screenings these days, or I'd stay away from the US.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 03:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Actually, people like Scrat could do his own Google search to find hundreds of these, but he wants to remain blind to what this administration is doing to the civil rights of minorities. Scrat is part of the problem. bah humbug.

CI - Discuss the points I make, not me personally. This forum isn't here for you to jabber on about what's wrong with "people like me". You haven't a clue who I am or what I'm "like", so stick to the topic and back off of the personal crap.

Thanks.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 03:28 pm
Scrat

Please notice that
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Just another media source, but ...
From The Christian Science Monitor, the February 06, 2003 edition


Your quotation, which you assigned to me, is from the Christian Science Monitor, which I clearly noted.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 03:30 pm
Scrat wrote:

This inconvenience is hardly comparable to the internment of Japanese during WWII.


I wouldn't compare this neither: those "Japanese" were US-American citizens - even drafted in the internation camps!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 03:42 pm
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The long-term management of our economy has fallen prey to the short-term maximization of votes in which the planning cycle of the US administration extends no further than November 2004. For all these consequences, surely, the faults lie in misguided policies of the Bush administration and not in the stars.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16878
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 04:55 pm
Obviously since 9-11 things have changed for those who either look middle eastern or who practice the religion of Islam.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3067388&p1=0

Some of what is happening chills me to the bone, especially considering where it is happening -- the United States of America. The idea that Canada seems to have been involved disturbs me no less.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/arar_statement.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 06:16 am
This report provides the clue to the stark differences in perception that supporters of -- and critics of -- George W. Bush have.

See, he thinks it's a good thing that he's perceived as a highly unpopular emperor:

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Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar was warmly welcomed at the White House Wednesday after saying in an interview that Europeans' perceptions of the United States as an empire explain President Bush's unpopularity there.

"The combination of being a Republican, of being an emperor, a Texan and outspoken is really a bad mix," Aznar, one of Bush's staunchest allies on Iraq and other issues, said in an interview Wednesday in the Washington Post.

"To be politically correct in Europe, people cannot digest the mix that is George Bush as I have described him. They are allergic to that," Aznar said.

The prime minister said he had kidded Bush about his image in Europe, telling him he outdid former President Reagan in unpopularity. Bush replied, "That's not going to change me or my policy."


AP via Yahoo News

Some people are grinning as they read this.

Some people are grinding their teeth as they read this.

There's your difference.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 07:17 am
Bush is an opportunist - not a visionary.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 09:12 am
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The prime minister said he had kidded Bush about his image in Europe, telling him he outdid former President Reagan in unpopularity. Bush replied, "That's not going to change me or my policy."

Sounds like a visionary to me. Perhaps you simply don't care for his vision? (And please don't make the usual A2K mistake of assuming that I necessarily care for his vision just because I point out that you don't, okay?)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:11 pm
I want to take a poll. How many of you wants to support GWBush's initiative to spend more money on sending man to the moon over spending it on our children's education - today?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:44 pm
Start a poll thread on it if ya wanna, c.i. , but its a False Dichotomy, bordering on the irrational. Its exceedingly improbable any valid conclusion can be drawn from a survey based on a Logical Fallacy, no matter how handily it might serve a partisan agenda. It is polemics, not politics.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:58 am
c.i., as I said - Bush is an opportunist, he can say something and not act on it - therefore, creating his own Logical Fallacy - as a matter of fact, the man is a Logical Fallacy...............

The only part of the program that would get off the ground is where businesses that contribute to him make zillions of $ beyond what they gave to him - from the National Treasury, errrrrr, make that National Debt.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:14 am
I can't wait for another four years of liberal whining! It's like a strange music always on in the background...
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