cicerone imposter wrote:timber, It seems to me at least that you also fail to see the difference between this administration's claim that we wish to bring democracy to Iraq, but this country also will not allow that same democracy to work for Arabs and Muslims in this country. Please explain the rational you use to equate the two.
Please make your case for your claim that "this country ... will not allow ... democracy to work for Arabs and Muslims in this country". Thanks.
Scrat, It's a simple as the following link.
http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/1985179/detail.html Whether you can understand it or not, we were treated similar to the Arabs/Muslims in the country over fifty years ago, and put into concentration camps. I am angry at this administration for what this admnistration is doing. You are probably a WASP and don't give a ****, but I do.
Deputy Undersecretary Bill Luti calls General Zinni a traitor.
January 19, 2004 issue
Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative
Open Door Policy
A strange thing happened on the way to the war.
By Karen Kwiatkowski
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon insider, concludes her observations on the run-up to the Iraq war in this last of a three-part series.
'..As the winter of 2002 approached, I was increasingly amazed at the success of the propaganda campaign being waged by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and neoconservative mouthpieces at the Washington Times and Wall Street Journal. I speculated about the necessity but unlikelihood of a Phil-Dick-style minority report on the grandiose Feith-Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-Cheney vision of some future Middle East where peace, love, and democracy are brought about by pre-emptive war and military occupation...'
for the whole article go to:
http://www.amconmag.com/1_19_04/article1.html
jjorge
That's an Excellent piece...thank you very much.
trespassers will:
In reference to Bush, you said...
Quote:I agree with the core values I believe he holds
What values would those be? *curious*
Supreme Court Allows Secrecy for 9/11 Detainees
25 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters
By James Vicini
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) on Monday allowed the Bush administration to keep secret the names and other basic details about hundreds of people questioned and detained or arrested after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Without comment, the top court refused to hear an appeal by civil liberties and other groups challenging the secret arrests and detentions for violating the Freedom of Information Act and constitutional free-speech rights under the First Amendment.
The justices let stand a U.S. appeals court ruling that disclosing the names could harm national security and help "al Qaeda in plotting future terrorist attacks or intimidating witnesses in the present investigation."
Although the high court stayed out of the dispute involving the names of those detained, it has agreed to hear other cases arising from the administration's war on terror.
Those cases involve the president's power to detain American citizens captured abroad and declared "enemy combatants," and whether foreign nationals can use American courts to challenge their incarceration at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The appeals court said the government could keep secret the names of more than 700 individuals detained on immigration violations and those arrested as material witnesses in the investigation into the hijacked plane attacks. The United States blames Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda network for the attacks that killed about 3,000.
The appeals court said the government could also keep secret the dates and locations of the arrest, detention and release of all detainees, including those charged with federal crimes, and the names of the lawyers representing them.
Attorneys for the groups challenging the government's policy said the appeals court erred in failing to recognize the First Amendment prohibits secret arrests, except in the most compelling circumstances.
GOVERNMENT EXPLANATION SAID 'UNPERSUASIVE'
They said the appeals court gave unprecedented deference to government explanations that were "unpersuasive on their face, overly broad and without any support in the record."
The attorneys said the Supreme Court should review the case.
"Such review would serve to assure that the government is not merely avoiding scrutiny of a discriminatory overreaction to the Sept. 11 attack and to deter future deprivations of civil liberties," they said.
A number of news media companies and groups supported the appeal.
In their lawsuit, the civil liberties groups argued the Freedom of Information Act, a law that allows for disclosure of certain government records, required the Justice Department (news - web sites) to release the information.
The Justice Department, urging the high court to reject the appeal, said it was entitled to an exception that allows information to be withheld for law enforcement investigations.
Department lawyers said disclosure of the list of people interviewed and detained would provide terrorists with "a road map" of the investigation.
Disclosure also could "expose the identified individuals to harassment and intimidation and could destroy any ongoing intelligence value they might have," the lawyers said.
From the
New York Daily News:
Quote:He didn't free the slaves.
He didn't rid the world of Hitler.
He didn't even - like his father - preside over the destruction of the Berlin Wall.
Yet George W. Bush tells New Yorker writer Ken Auletta: "No President has ever done more for human rights than I have."
With stunners like that, no wonder he spends so little time with journalists.
In the same article, Andy Card says it's not the job of the White House to provide reporters with facts.
No kidding.
Isnt that "did more to human rights than any other president?"
"Yet George W. Bush tells New Yorker writer Ken Auletta: "No President has ever done more for human rights than I have."" As of last count, this administration killed over 15,000 Iraqis while they were not a threat to Americans. If killing 15,000 Iraqis is helping "human rights," I'd hate to think what he's planning for his second term.
Ya know what just adds to that statement from Dubya? The fact he has a BSc in history from Yale. How did THAT happen???? Maybe he never studied American history. Hmmm.....
Ya know, at first glance the guy facing the camera on the left looks like Frank Zappa. Could you imagine him in class with the bozo on the right?
Zappa never stooped that low. Actually, this picture looks like it was taken inside a jail........
Is the guy in the back on the left Abby Hoffman
cicerone imposter wrote:Scrat, It's a simple as the following link.
http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/1985179/detail.html Whether you can understand it or not, we were treated similar to the Arabs/Muslims in the country over fifty years ago, and put into concentration camps. I am angry at this administration for what this admnistration is doing. You are probably a WASP and don't give a ****, but I do.
From your citation:
Quote:In the wake of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the federal government is requiring all men from Middle Eastern countries in the United States to register, and be fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed.
I do
not believe that statement to be true, and I respectfully ask that you find me any official statement, law, regulation... anything from the federal government stating that this is actually being done.
More from your citation:
Quote:"There are many laws that have passed that are targeting no one but the Muslims as well as the Arab communities. And the South Asians as well," Ouansafi said.
Interesting that he fails to cite even one. Perhaps you can...?
Still more:
Quote:He said about a half dozen men who are Muslims or Arabs and lived here are voluntarily returning to Egypt, Jordan and Morocco rather than face deportation under the U.S. Patriot Act.
Does it fail to register with you that the only reason these men would be at risk for being deported is if they are here illegally or have associated with known or suspected terrorist elements? Personally, I think these men are showing common sense in choosing to leave voluntarily if they know their status to be such that they will be deported. (And if they are here legally, why would they assume that they will be deported?)
Anyway, there are a few questions for you. As far as I can see, your citation is long on angst and short on facts that support the position taken.
Bush's belief that he's done so much for human rights probably has to do with the idea the he freed the Iraqis from Saddam. Given his Manichean view of things, I'm sure that makes sense to him. Of course, many of the Iraqis see the US as imperialist occupiers, but Bush knows otherwise...
Scrat wrote:
From your citation:
Quote:In the wake of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the federal government is requiring all men from Middle Eastern countries in the United States to register, and be fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed.
I do
not believe that statement to be true, and I respectfully ask that you find me any official statement, law, regulation... anything from the federal government stating that this is actually being done.
Just another media source, but ...
From The Christian Science Monitor, the February 06, 2003 edition
Quote:[...]
The requirement that foreign men, from mostly Muslim nations, register with US authorities is part of the Patriot Act passed by Congress last year. It's a key component of a law designed to help authorities prevent terrorism on home soil. For the INS, it's an opportunity to bridge substantial information gaps shown up by the attack on Sept. 11.
Under the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), as its formally known, the agency has photographed and fingerprinted men 16 and older from 25 nations who had arrived in the US by last September. They've conducted interviews and rifled through paperwork to substantiate biographical details such as the registrant's place of birth, current address, and job description.
[...]
link to source:
Registration for Arabs draws fire
Actually, people like Scrat could do his own Google search to find hundreds of these, but he wants to remain blind to what this administration is doing to the civil rights of minorities. Scrat is part of the problem. bah humbug.
