It's a good thing the owner of that dog didn't happen to be near by with his shot gun. Things prolly would have gotten pretty messy.
Quote:One man I knew came back from a deer-less hunt down near Poteet and admitted he'd shot a neighbor's dog just to get rid of his frustration.
Yup! Killing something shows you are a real man.
Some folks who hunt are idiots, Tart. They're but a fraction of an otherwise conscientious, knowledgeable, concerned, dedicated community of others who engage in the practice, and are, in their idiocy, abberational. The same may be said of some who follow politics.
Hbob, while I appreciate yor comment as legitimately derived from your viewpoint, some, myself of course among them, consider your viewpoint of dubious foundation. None the less, you, and anyone else, are perfectly entitled to hold and espouse that, or any other, viewpoint. No one is required either to endorse or reject your viewpoint other than as is consistent with their own viewpoint. All that said, as a personal impression, I will observe that it is my viewpoint that your interactions on this forum have, from time to time, though not as general practice, been characterized more by anger, indiscretion, ad hominem, inappropriate language, perjoration at times bordering on vituperation, and assorted other incivility than have those of the majority of other members, among whom I include myself. I do not single you out for this criticism, I merely observe that you are among the members of whom this is so, and I assign you no relative rank, quantitative or qualitative, within that group. In the interest of fairness and balance, I will gladly apologize to you in most explicit and public manner if you can show that this personal and subjective criticism of your interaction here is unfounded.
Gee, I must have struck a conservative nerve.
Not at all, hbob. Just had that bubblin in my mind for while, and you were out front and appropriate when it came to the top. Coulda been said to or about any number of folks ... nothin' at all special about you or our recent interplay.
To be fair, my comment about killing making one a "real man" had more to do with Tart's comment about her neighbor shooting a dog "out of frustration," than any comments about war. Its the same mentality prevalent in the urban underclass. I don't know how many trauma patients I saw whose sole motivating goal was to get better and shoot the other guy.
While I have no direct referrential basis from which to disprove Tart's hunt saga, I have my doubts. Not saying it didn't happen, just observing that sort of thing, which from time to time does happen, or something very similar, but generally that sort of thing becomes the subject of a police report, and often a civil lawsuit with or without related criminal charges, and any of those circumstances, particularly if multiply presented, commonly will attract the attention of a journalist, whose treatment of the matter customarily receives wire service "filler" play, over and above local coverage. Being strongly pro-dog, I watch for dog stories.
That aside, the way Tart told the story had a certain yarnish, enthusiastic hyperbole about it, IMO, whether or not it was true. Just a matter of style, I guess.
My disgust.
"No conservative I know wants to see civil rights and due process perverted like they currently are. No conservative I know wants to see the perfectly respectable conservative agenda abused as an excuse for a mutual enrichment game between corporate insiders and the government."
I do know that the Neo-cons are not actual conservatives. They are a mutant strain of Fascists.
Those are a few of my disgust factors. Also, calling the march of Imperialism, spreading Democracy, irks me greatly because I know what a freakin' lie that is.
Quote:I do know that the Neo-cons are not actual conservatives. They are a mutant strain of Fascists.
And all of teh bad science fiction implications in that statement make it sooo wonderfully accurate!
scrat said
Quote:blatham - Can you give us some examples of what you call "fear-mongering, demonizing, exaggerations and deceit, ... simplistic black/white dichotomoies" put forth by the right?
Sorry scrat, not going to play with you.
Not on The Web yet, but will be soon:
Quote:RELEASE: TIME/CNN POLL: Most Registered Voters Would Choose Bush
Fri Nov 21 2003 21:44:24 ET
New York - If the 2004 Presidential election was held today, registered voters surveyed for TIME/CNN would choose President George W. Bush over any of the declared Democratic candidates.
In a direct run against Bush, Gen. Wesley Clark fares the best among registered voters (Clark 42%, Bush 49%), closely followed by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (Kerry 41%, Bush 49%).
Bush would beat any of three other Democrats, 52 percent to 39 percent, in a direct match: Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt, Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman, or Vermont Gov. Howard Dean. Against Bush, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards would lose, 38 percent to 52 percent.
When registered Democrats are asked which Democratic presidential nominee they would vote for, Dean edges out Clark 14 percent to 12 percent, followed Lieberman (11%), Kerry (9%), Gephardt (6%), then Edwards and the Rev. Al Sharpton (5%).
The TIME/CNN Poll, conducted November 18-19, 2003 by HarrisInteractive, surveyed 1,330 registered voters by telephone. The margin of error is +/-2.7% points for registered voters, and +/-4.7% for Democratic voters surveyed for TIME/CNN.
Bush the Younger's numbers continue to disappoint ...
the Democrats.
And, I imagine, Time-CNN.
Judy Woodruff gets more drawn every day.
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Dean Dodged Draft
Quote:33 Years Later, Draft Becomes Topic for Dean
By RICK LYMAN and CHRISTOPHER DREW
Published: November 22, 2003
In the winter of 1970, a 21-year-old student from Yale walked into his armed services physical in New York carrying X-rays and a letter from his orthopedist, eager to know whether a back condition might keep him out of the military draft.
This was not an uncommon scene in 1970, when medical deferments were a frequently used avenue for those reluctant to take part in the unpopular war in Vietnam. And this story would have little interest save that Howard Dean was the name of the young man. Now, 33 years later, he finds himself a leading Democrat in the quest for the party's nomination to be president of the United States ...
... In the 10 months after his graduation from Yale, time he might otherwise have spent in uniform, Dr. Dean lived the life of a ski bum in Aspen, Colo. His back condition did not affect his skiing the way the rigors of military service would have, he said ...
I'm sure Kerry and Clark have taken note of, and will find use for, this tidbit.
Timber and Sofia, I think it's too late...already.
Kerry has imploded; Clark is Clark.
With regard to Dean's hijinks during Vietnam; so did Clinton and so did W. IMHO, Dean (forgive me, but perhaps with the added push to the nomination as provided by his brother's remains) will lose to Bush.
Barring some critical event, I think you're right, suzette.
<But, I keep thinking Hill will enter...>
Sofia, I did think that about Hil as well. However, I believe she is as smart as we are ( :wink: ), realizes it's Bush in 2004 and she will work tirelessly for 2008.
<sigh>
The drama would be to die for.
Quote:House passes Medicare bill[/size]
11/22/2003 9:27 AM
By: Associated Press
(Capitol Hill-AP) -- A Medicare overhaul bill with a landmark
prescription-drug entitlement has been approved in the House after an epic overnight battle.
The final House vote was 220-to-215.
On to the Senate; should be taken up this afternoon. Likely to be a close vote, one way or the other.
:wink:
