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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 08:43 am
Another example of the religious wierdos messing where they don't belong. I particularly worry at comment like (imagine southern accent): "We tuly believe we are the body of Christ."
Blacklist?
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OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Big Chill at the Lab
By BOB HERBERT

Published: November 3, 2003



A list of nearly 200 scientific researchers has been compiled and given to federal officials by the Traditional Values Coalition, a conservative group that goes wild over gay issues and federal funding of research related to human sexuality.

The list, which has sent a chill through some researchers, is being used by the coalition and its government allies in attempts to discredit the researchers and challenge or revoke their federal grants. It's a sloppy, dangerous and wildly inaccurate list, put together by people who are freaked out by the content of the studies, and unconcerned about their value.

The targeted studies cover a wide range of topics related to health and sexuality, including H.I.V. and AIDS, sexually transmitted diseases and adolescent sexual behavior.

The Web site of the Traditional Values Coalition is bizarrely fixated on sexual matters. The banner headline on the home page the other day blared, "HOMOSEXUAL URBAN LEGENDS: The Series . . ."

The site complained that "nearly $100 million has gone to research many projects which reasonable people, even those with no particular religious or political perspective, would view as prurient."

For a right-wing coalition to be hung up on these matters is one thing. But the coalition's list, which includes some of the most respected scientists and institutions in the country, is circulating among members of Congress and was forwarded to the National Institutes of Health, which is responsible for awarding the crucially important grants.

"It has a lot of people very nervous," said Dr. Thomas Coates, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at the David Geffen School of Medicine at U.C.L.A. "People who have made a career out of this kind of research ?- well, when you see your name on a list you wonder what's going to happen to your funding."

"The list itself is less important than the context in which it's been generated," said Dr. Judith Auerbach, a vice president of the American Foundation for AIDS Research. Until recently Dr. Auerbach headed the Office of AIDS Research at the National Institutes of Health.

"The context is that in recent months there have been a series of specific inquiries to the N.I.H. from Congressional committee members, through their staffs in particular, asking about specific grants and specific grantees based apparently on the content of those grants."

The content is usually related to such matters as the AIDS virus, high-risk sexual behavior and other topics linked in some way to sexuality.

"Those inquiries come in a very negative tone," said Dr. Auerbach. "And they cast aspersions on the quality and the content of the science ?- from someone who doesn't know how to conduct science, and is not a scientist. So the N.I.H. has been put in the position frequently in the last year of having to re-justify research that has already been peer-reviewed, approved and funded."

Science has to suffer when the know-nothings come traipsing through the laboratories, infecting the research with their religious beliefs and political ideologies. Andrea Lafferty is the executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, which she says represents more than 43,000 churches.

"What makes us unique among all the conservative groups," she said, "is that I believe we truly represent the body of Christ."

Ms. Lafferty said she personally gave the list of scientific researchers to Representative Billy Tauzin, a Louisiana Republican who is chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. One of its subcommittees has been reviewing the awarding of grants by N.I.H.

"We never said any grant on there was bad," said Ms. Lafferty. But she said she wanted to know why the grants were being funded, and why so many had to do with H.I.V. and AIDS.

Ms. Lafferty acknowledged that her group has a problem with homosexuality. "We're concerned that it's a behavior-based lifestyle, that you're not born that way," she said.

She insisted that the coalition does not oppose research on H.I.V. and AIDS, but added, "How many times do you have to study something to find out how to stop the spread of AIDS?"

The public officials who got their hands on this sinister list could have thrown it in the garbage. Instead, the list is circulating, like an insidious disease, and some scientists are worried that they are not immune.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 09:24 am
hobitbob: Sorry but I must be dense. how does that pertain to the topic at hand?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 09:29 am
We've been discussing the influence the fundies have on the current crop of Republicans on this and several other threads for a while.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 10:08 am
ragman, Is that really you? God, it's good to see you again. c.i. * all smiles
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 12:22 pm
good to see you too. I lurk on A2K mostly...but I've been here off and on since lat Nov.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:28 pm
And now, here it is early November Smile
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:31 pm
hobitbob wrote:
We've been discussing the influence the fundies have on the current crop of Republicans on this and several other threads for a while.


I'll pretty much go along with that, though I'd alter it a bit to say "the influence of the fringies on both sides of the political aisle".

Oh, and Howdy, ragman ... good to see ya chippin' in. Wish you'd do more of it. Just holler if you'd like any help with the bells and whistles around this place. Enjoy.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:45 pm
TY timber. i will
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:49 pm
That mention by Sofia of the Chicago vote in the 1960 election reminds me how, in my youth, I used to wonder about the vitriol some had for the Kennedys. This included when, mind you, JFK was president and soon after he was shot. I wasn't even a card-carrying left-wing kiddy then, so it's not as if my ox was being gored. I had a music teacher who filled my friend and me in on what an SOB Joe Kennedy had been. How they hated the whole clan! It was interesting.

Now that's mostly over with--the right wing can barely muster the energy to bash Ted anymore--but when it comes to the Clintons, oh look out! They can build up a great head of steam over him...

(Sorry if this is off topic; Sofia's post got me all nostalgic...)
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:52 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Another example of the religious wierdos messing where they don't belong. ...

Goodness, we need to stop this free speech nonsense before it gets out of control! Rolling Eyes
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:00 pm
Sofia wrote:
And, don't forget the Kennedy election... Having to do with presentation of cash in Chicago.

Are you implying that there was some kind of electoral chicanery in a Chicago election? That the results may have been tainted by corruption??? That is a slander, a malign calumniation, a false canard -- as false a canard as any canard can be. I can personally attest to the fact that I have never experienced any sort of irregularities in any Chicago election in which I have participated, and all of my deceased relatives who are currently registered straight-ticket Democrats would back me up on this.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:07 pm
Whew, for a second there I thought the Florida bunch was being justified - falsely, for sure........
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:50 pm
BillW wrote:
Whew, for a second there I thought the Florida bunch was being justified - falsely, for sure........

There is no way in the world to justify that blatant attempt by The Dems
to subvert the constitutionally established electoral process by means of a cynical, partisan, self serving, arrogant effort to manipulate the judicial process. Glad you're finally coming to grips with reality. Twisted Evil :wink: Laughing
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:55 pm
Deserves no reply .....................
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:16 pm
That was admitedly mean of me Bill ... but I just couldn't resist.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:40 pm
while much is made of the chicago "machine" in the Kennedy/Nixon election, far greater manipulation of the election came from LBJ's texas machine.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:54 pm
it was widely reputed that Nixon also "stuffed the ballot box" in 1960 elections, as well.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:09 pm
Not a Republican - no way..............
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:09 pm
ragman(orig) wrote:
it was widely reputed that Nixon also "stuffed the ballot box" in 1960 elections, as well.

By whom? Source? Citation? ???
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:10 pm
See, whad I tell ya...........
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