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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
littlek
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 04:45 pm
We need a little emoticon with steam coming out of it's little ears.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 04:49 pm
The Bureau of Indian Affairs is arguably the greatest misfortune ever to befall the Indians, and equally arguable as the greatest embarrassment ever inflicted on itself by The US Government. Embarrassment being what it is, pariculary bi-partisan political embarrassment, don't be too ready to see meaningful reform and redress any time soon.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 05:13 pm
dyselxia wrote:
Records have been, and continue to be, lost, systematically destroyed, corrupted and, in many cases, never kept.


Seems there was a pre emptive war based on a similar statement - and the response from the right, "they should'a kept good records - like we do" hmmmmmmmmmm.

Agreed, this has been ongoing for centuries :sad: - as far as taxation, Indian tribes are sovereign and can't be taxed them! At least, semi-sovereign; the Federal Government uses it against them when it's to their advantage.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 05:29 pm
I saw some Native Americans arrested and roughed up by ATF (on the news) about a month ago. Something about 'illegal' cigarettes. Don't think I saw a thread here about it, though there may have been one.

I thought their land was sovereign, as well...

I didn't get the whole story, but I remember thinking the sovereignty of 'Indian land' and their tax free cigs, was about to be challenged. Don't recall hearing anything else about it.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 05:34 pm
As long as it is their land, and they are doing the selling on their land. They try selling here out of regular store fronts and lost each time. There is some form of "swapping" that goes on. I can never understand it though.

By the way, back in the first half of the last century the State of Oklahoma was mad at the Federal Government selling liquor on military bases. Oklahoma was dry,except for beer. Anyway, there was a shipment of booze on semi's going north from Texas when one broke down. The HP knew they had them, so they confiscated the load. The court decision was in favor of the Feds. The decision was where ever Federal Property comes to rest becomes Federal Property (wording my own, jest of everything is there).........
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 06:17 pm
That Federal Property in transit is Federal Property and thus exempt from any State or Local Regulation is a well established precedent. I'm surprised Oklahoma even got the issue to be heard by a court. Back in the late 'Sixties, California found, to the dismay of the anti-war activists that promoted and passed the legislation (by referendum Shocked Rolling Eyes ... go figure), that the state had no authority to prohibit or otherwise regulate the transit of military materiel or personnel. Some years back, a County Cop here in Wisconsin tried to ticket an Army Lo-Boy rig transporting a big piece of construction equipment or something, for not having the proper state-issued permits. The cop's career path suffered significant long-term harm.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 06:59 pm
I guess it made it to the courts because the state had impounded the truck with its goods. The finding was not for the property being truck and booze, but for the real property on which the truck resided. Since Federal Property came to rest, the land therefore became Federal "Real" Property and therefore Oklahoma had no jurisdiction.

Looked real fast, wish I could find the case. I know I found it again a few years back, wish I could remember some better key words Confused
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:04 pm
Timber, I do believe you and george are suffering from a delusional state (this is not a violation of the TOS because I'm only joking.) But seriously, what did you two just say? Do we live in the same country? Listen to the same news? WOW.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:08 pm
Up near the top of this page is a post written with all the dreamy happiness of a saffron clad virgin just beginning to lean over the lip of a volcano.

george

The 'Filmore' is, I presume, a neighborhood? Is this a house you are restoring or other?
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:11 pm
San Francisco, Fillmore - Concert (though, of course, it could be other than)
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:14 pm
Bill

I'm a drug smoking female ravisher with a taste for the Blues....of course I know the Fillmore!
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:14 pm
Pardon moi monsieur Smile
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:24 pm
They say if you can remember the 'Sixties, you weren't there. I'm assuming that more or less explains all those old posters, ticket stubs, and tie-died stuff stashed in my basement.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:28 pm
you know timber....I have a dim dim recollection of getting it on with a soldier somewhere sometime. I suppose it's possible, hey?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:32 pm
I have a dim, very dim, recollection of having been a soldier sometime, somewhere, but only hooked up in Sydney and she didn't wear a uniform.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:45 pm
Blatham,

Yes "the Filmore" is a district in San Francisco, centered around Filmore Street. Think of it as lower Pacific Heights. The house is an old Victorian I bought long ago and have been restoring for much of that time. Plan is to eventually escape the life of a wage slave and just live there in Bay Area bliss. Project is virtually complete. I keep postponing the date - for a variety of reasons ranging from money to a surprising wariness about giving up the professional life - an urge to which I always thought I was immune. I now find that, for me as well as others, with enough time in the field, the yoke becomes part of the man (or woman).

Perhaps it is difficult to picture a guy like me inhabiting a city in which Willie Brown is the conservative candidate for mayor. However, it turns out there are other similar souls here, and I do like the place. (Lots of good Irish bars too.)
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:55 pm
Lola, could you be referring to the post about hoping for Ahnold to win California? Right up there at the top of the page? Are you the only one who caught on that it was said in jest, meaning CA deserves anything it gets?

Sydney? Hmpfff.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 07:59 pm
Boy, all these confessions of encounters are very intrigueing. How about some stories behind the hints? LOL
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:18 pm
http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/ups/kamikaze/explorers.gif
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:22 pm
tonite? Wink
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