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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:46 pm
For a look at Arnold's future, please see... http://www.uclick.com/client/pen/db/2003/09/28/index.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:49 pm
george

so this would be a century old home? Though SF is only a day's drive from here, I've been just twice. Love the place too.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:49 pm
Hi Diane,

No I got Dys's ironic sarcasm........he speaks with little else, it's his special talent, I do believe. Always on the mark. No, I was speaking of the statements by Timber and george about how wonderful GW's world is......how it's all fine.........wow! It's not what I've been hearing.

And yes, these guys do brag a lot. Just think about the stories we could tell if we dared..........(shhhhh)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:52 pm
ummm.... A Total Recall for somebody that hasn't even been elected. ummmm.........
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:53 pm
If I was to believe timber and george - then GWB and his whole administration is so inept that they the USA must recall them, today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:55 pm
BillW, You forgot something important; about half of Americans still think they're doing a fine job. We gotta recall the whole freek'n country!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:56 pm
Unfortunately a recall of Schwartenegger will require the contents of some fat cat's deep pockets. And millions more of the tax payer's dollars. Politics has gotten so stoopid, so nasty, so expensive.........
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 08:57 pm
c.i., The secrets are slowly (actually much faster now) slipping out. That number is decreasing daily Cool the sham may be coming to an end Exclamation
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 09:00 pm
The "sham" may be coming to an end, but the Sham will still be in office.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 09:02 pm
:sad: why must the Dems remain above the fray Question c.i., you are a shining example, IMHO, and I believe, a reflection of what the typical Dem wishes to be Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 11:21 pm
Lola wrote:
Politics has gotten so stoopid, so nasty, so expensive.........

Really, Lola, it hasn't "gotten" that way, its always been that way. Where you been that it comes a surprise to you? :wink:

Who was it that said "Politics is the last refuge of scoundrels"? Laughing
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2003 11:23 pm
I think I said that Timber. Laughing

I know.......I'm only an innocent babe. I guess the fact that it's so nasty is the reason I like it so much.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 08:55 am
Timber

To claim that the situation today is precisely that of all other points in time lets everyone off the hook, morally and intellectually, and it takes little reflection to acknowledge it isn't true - can't be true.

I understand what you are pointing to - the tendency that we all have to think our time and place unique and special and unprecedented, as demonstrated by the lovely piece of grafitti found on a wall in Rome from two thousand years ago "Children just don't listen any more".

But your claim is helpful only to a point, and then it becomes a significant barrier to perception and understanding. It was not uncommon for Jewish folks in 30's Germany to console each other with the notion that it was all just the same stuff going on.

I'll paste in a piece here from Salon regarding a Clear Channel radio host. You can, you will, point out that it is anecdotal and but one example, and is extreme. But Clear Channel is something new in its singularity of editorial view combined with market dominance combined with connections to a political party's machinery. And this is not the only element of 2003 American politics which is unique.
Quote:
Sept. 29, 2003 | ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) -- A radio talk-show host was fired Monday for an on-air racial slur against the city's black mayor.

Bob Lonsberry had apologized Thursday and agreed to undergo diversity training and remain off the air indefinitely. But he lost his job after attacking critics in a Web column Monday, saying the "liberal and afraid ... seek to dominate society through threat and intimidation."

WHAM radio said in a statement Monday that "although Mr. Lonsberry expressed a willingness to change, it became obvious to us that he is not embracing diversity."

Lonsberry, 44, has persistently baited Mayor William Johnson Jr., a Democrat running for Monroe County executive in the November election.

Last month, Lonsberry joked with listeners about an orangutan that briefly escaped a zoo, then commented that the animal was now running for county executive. He made a similar reference again last week as monkey sounds were aired in the background.

While Lonsberry, who is white and Republican, never mentioned the three-term mayor by name, Johnson said he believed Lonsberry deliberately injected race into the campaign.

Lonsberry worked nine years at WHAM, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications of San Antonio, Texas.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:03 am
Although Bob Lonsberry's remark was offensive I cannot see justification for his being fired. That is unless freedom of speech has become extinct in the US.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:11 am
give 'em time au1929, they're working on it....
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:20 am
au

On this, I couldn't disagree more strongly. Likening people of african descent to monkeys is precisely the equivalent of likening Jews to rats.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:30 am
On his website, Lonsberry wrote:
Today's Column - 9/30/2003:

MY 20TH ANNIVERSARY IN THE NEWS BUSINESS

Twenty years ago this week, in the newsroom of a tiny afternoon paper in the backwoods of New York, a crusty guy named Roger gave me a notepad and told me to get to work.

That's how it started.

Yesterday, from the safety of a speaker phone, two cogs in a corporate wheel told me I was fired.

That's how it ended.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, score one for the other team.

For 20 years I've spoken to an audience. For 20 years I've never been out of work a day. For 20 years I thought doing a good job would stand me in good stead.

I thought that satisfying readers, viewers and listeners counted for something. I thought that attracting an audience, bringing customers to my employer, was what the job was all about.

But I thought wrong.

And now I don't know what to think.

And I don't know how to pay the bills.

And I don't know what comes next.

But I did my duty. And I did my best. And I did it honorably. And I walk out the door with my head high and my conscience clear.

My only regret is to the listeners who will feel as if I have abandoned them. I would never do that willfully, and I do it now mournfully. I have been sustained by the friendship of the airwaves, the reciprocal relationship that truly is radio. It has brought me joy and purpose. I will miss every listener intensely and painfully.

It pains me to have let down people in two cities, on two shows. It will break my heart to lose intimate contact with the communities and peoples in those two audiences.

I had planned to retire in two or three decades, still doing the midday show in Rochester and the morning show in Salt Lake.

It is a painful leave-taking.

In a week I've gone from being the busiest radio broadcaster in the country to the most idle. I guess I've stopped being a broadcaster.

But I figured all along they were going to fire me. They said otherwise, but they didn't act otherwise. I think they fired me by inches, by little bits over a week. But that's their right. It's their radio company, not mine.

I think with mounting criticism in Congress over giant radio companies, the biggest of them all - my former employer -- didn't want any brush fires anywhere. So I think some suit on the other end of a conference call made a decision. I don't have anything against radio consolidation, but it will make it hard for me to get more work. I lost jobs at two radio stations, but will be black balled at more than 1,000 others, and in the nation's largest syndication company.

And I'm not sure where that leaves me.

Can I get on a ballot to run for office in a month? Will a station across town - in Utah or New York - offer me a job? Will I get a severance package and sit back and write a book for a couple of months? Will I have to drive two hours to take a reporter job? Will I be selling shoes and books at the mall by the weekend?

I don't know.

But my cash flow is gone and I've got four kids to feed. So I'll have to find something quick.

Hopefully I'll be back.

But even if I'm not, I'll count myself among the luckiest of men. I've had a great ride, and been truly blessed.

Christmas Eves with my children on the air, singing songs and reading stories and talking to friends we've never met. The horrid morning of September 11 and anchoring through the chaos a monologue of what had occurred. Times when people laughed and times when people cried. Walking 10 miles in a blizzard to get to the station. Broadcasting overnight for an ice storm or a power outage, sleeping more times than I can count on the floor in the studio.

But I did my duty. And I did my best. And I did it honorably. And I walk out the door with my head high and my conscience clear.

And with two words: Thank you.

For the privilege, for the support, for the audience.

For the priceless bond the people on the conference call will never know. For the grand trick I got away with for most of a decade.

Because the radio show was a means to an end. A platform to call it the way I saw it. A chance to whisper, between the jokes and the cackle, the truth as I understand it. To testify and empty my heart. To make a difference.

It used to be, when I was a younger man, I had to go knocking on doors to preach the gospel. I found a radio show, as it turned out, to be far more efficient. The message wasn't as pure, but it was heard by more, and I hope it did some good.

I'm pretty sure it did some good.

And I'm pretty sure that's why they stopped it.

But I've got a hunch the game's not over yet.

I've got a hunch I'm not over yet.
http://www.lonsberry.com/


Yeah, the guy suffered an episode of brainfade ... still, he's a conservative Republican, and he was fired for disparaging a Democrat politician. Not to excuse his boorishness and stupidity, but this was not exactly The Right ganging up on The Left. More like "Political Correctness", it would seem to me.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:32 am
True however, it depends who makes the remark. An african American could get away with it. Mr Sharpton has made some pretty dicey statements in his time and he is trying to make a run for the presidency.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:35 am
Precisely, Au ... it ain't what you say, its who you are when you say it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2003 09:52 am
Oh, come on you guys! He wasn't fired for 'disparaging a democratic official', he was fired for analogizing a racial group to an animal, a specific analogy with a lot of history down there. Let's, from now on, all refer to jews as rats, and let's get the Germans to do it too...that fine with both of you? It'll be a blow against political correctness.

Lonsberry says two things here that get my attention. First, the reason he got fired - that CC is under scrutiny (imlied - if it wasn't, the statement would have been just peachy), and that his function as a radio host was to forward the gospel. Yes.

There is a person on this site who has had personal dealing with the man who owns Clear Channel and who is deeply connected with Rove and company. Truly, regardless of any affiliation politically any of us might have, were you to know this story, you would NOT want to have this fellow anywhere near your families.
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