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Texas the new swing state

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 09:37 am
@edgarblythe,
Not much a answer but what else is new?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 09:50 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I agree but it will take at least a seingle generation on behalf of each alien immigrant.

Ive had staff members second generation with PHD's from major schools nd really really SMART!.

Thats a kind of people whose participation I think we all applaud.

I see Trump trying to swing his original goofus statements to sound more inclusional.His hand;ers are trying to make us forget his prior brain-dead
assertions.

Course , this is about Texass.


Would we really miss this state? I think its an embarrasment to New Mexico

maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 09:53 am
How far back do you go, Finn? Americans whose great-great-grandparents lived in what is now Texas while it was part of Mexico.... do they count as American or Immigrant.

What about children whose grandparents crossed the border. Or Whose parents?

The immigration issue is largely about racialist politics.... No where is that more clear than in Texas were brown-skinned people who were Americans were expelled based only on the color of their skin.

parados
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 09:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The percentage of Texans that are immigrants that are able to vote is really a very small part of the demographics.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/state-profiles/state/demographics/TX

So, the number of citizens in Texas that were naturalized after having immigrated is about 6%. Of those only about 68% would be Latino.
Of those only about 50% have become citizens in the last 16 years.

The argument that 2% of the population will change Texas from red to blue seems a little preposterous.

What is far more likely is the fact that Latinos who make up 32% of the population and that percentage is increasing will change voting patterns to Democrats. These are Latinos that see other Latinos being attacked. In fact, the more conservative those Latinos are the more likely they may be to respond to attacks against like peoples by coming to their defense in their voting.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 09:59 am
My real objection the Finn's argument is his use of the word "Mexican Immigrant" to refer to American citizens.

A very large part of people of Mexican descent in Texas vote for Democrats. This is true whether their parents crossed the border, there great-grandparents crossed the borders... or whether some distant relative was living in Texas 1000 years ago.

Finn wants to refer to them as as "Mexican Immigrant" as if they aren't just as American as he is.

The real issue is that Texas has a history of racialism. Still people with brown-colored skin aren't considered real Americans by many in spite of their citizenship.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 10:17 am
@maxdancona,
You are, apparently, being willingly dense.

Mexican Immigrants = Mexican citizens who came from Mexico to Texas.

It doesn't mean the children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren of Mexican citizens who came from Mexico to Texas.

If you still can't understand what I am saying, I give up.

I really don't appreciate posts that ignore what others have actually written just so the poster can spew more dogma.

The immigration issue isn't at all about racialist politics. If the influx of illegal aliens into this country were Serbians, Trump wouldn't be saying "Forget a wall, let's welcome in our white brothers"
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 10:18 am
@farmerman,
It may take more than one generation, but I think it will happen in the end.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 10:25 am
@maxdancona,
My objection to maxdancona's argument is that it has no connection, at all, to what I have posted.

People who come to this country from another (whether or not they become citizens) are, for lot's of reasons described as "X-Immigrants"
There is nothing inherently derogatory about such a description.

My grandmother was a Norwegian Immigrant and my grandfather was an Irish Immigrant. They both became citizens but they were what they were.

I want to refer to them as Mexican Immigrants to distinguish them from those born here. OMG - How racist of me!

Sorry, but you don't get to tell us what the "real issue" is here, and what you've defined it as has no relevance to the original post.

If you're going to insist on the Texas history racism as being significant, please show us what State in this union doesn't have such a history.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 10:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, I am not too dense to see what you are trying to do.

You are trying to equate "People who vote for Democrats" with "Mexican Immigrants". A vast majority of people of Mexican descent are voting for Democrats. Yet you call them all "Mexican Immigrants".

That is why I think you are full of crap.

The immigration issue has always been about race. A hundred years ago when we were deporting American citizens with brown skin and were passing a law called "The Asian Exclusion Act" no one would deny that fact. Now it is still about race... it is just with political correctness not many people want to admit this any more.

InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 10:51 am
@parados,
What's more, Latinos of Central American origin make up the majority of the foreign born immigrants in Texas, not Mexicans, the bigoted ignoramuses' inclination to refer to all Latino immigrants as "Mexican," notwithstanding.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:01 am
@maxdancona,
Utter nonsense.

I wrote of why Mexican Immigrants (Have you finally figured out what this means?) vote Democrat. That others of different backgrounds might do so for the same reason is something you've just introduced.

My God but you are pigheaded.

The thread began with the premise that Texas is the new swing state. And what's the argument for this? That White-Anglo Texans are seeing the light? No, it's because of demographics and the influx of Mexican Immigrants.

Insisting that today's immigration issue is defined by events of a hundred years ago is absurd, but typical of liberals.

Do you think that if the current illegal immigration situation involved what you will call "white" people --- let's say Blond Swedes, without any other differentiating factor, that Trump would not be taking about a wall?

You made the statement that Texas has a history of racism and that may be so, but I challenged you to find a state in this union that doesn't and you've ignored me. The point is that we need to discuss these issues in the now and not resort to sensationalist references to the past.



maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:06 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Do you think that if the current illegal immigration situation involved what you will call "white" people --- let's say Blond Swedes, without any other differentiating factor, that Trump would not be taking about a wall?


This is the best question you have asked. It gets to the point exactly. And the answer is clear. If the current "illegal immigration situation" involved White people... Trump would not be talking about a wall.

Trump is tapping into racialist politics from an angry White Voter base that is upset that brown-skinned people are getting ahead in the country they see as their own. Name an issue in his campaign that doesn't involve White people being threatened by minorities.


Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:07 am
@InfraBlue,
Well thank you for that pedantic but unsupported assertion.

I don't buy your assertion, but assuming it's true, let me retroactively change my comments to "Latino Immigrants" I feel the same way about Central Americans as I do Mexicans. They are good people.

BTW - I'm married to a latina and therefore my children are latinos, but I guess I hate them all because of my bigotry.

But wait, an ass like you probably won't agree that my kids are latinos because their father is "white."
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:08 am
@maxdancona,
Of course you have absolutely no way of proving this.

You are a partisan through and through.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:09 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Name an issue in his campaign that doesn't involve White people being threatened by minorities.


The main one: A rigged system due to the corruption of elitists (of any color)
parados
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:19 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
What the **** are you going on about Finn.

Mexican born US citizens make up about 3.5% of the Texas US citizenry.
US born Latinos make up 37% of the Texas US citizenry.

The argument that it is Mexican immigrants voting that is a worry in Texas is ridiculous on it's face. It is such a small percentage of the voting eligible population.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/state-profiles/state/demographics/TX
32% of US born citizens in Texas are Latino. It is that group that votes predominantly Democratic. If they came out in larger numbers they would clearly swing the state blue. Currently they vote at about 41% compared to the 58% for non Hispanic whites. They voted 70% democratic in the last Presidential race.

The biggest problem the GOP has is the number of Hispanics that are younger. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/10/01/latinos-in-the-2012-election-texas/

32% of Hispanic eligible voters are 18-29 compared to the 24% of Texas voters in general. That would indicate a large group that is going to get older and comprise a much larger percentage of the voting population. Most of those young voters are US born citizens. Many people stick with a party for most of their lives so if 70% stay locked in as Democratic voters, there is little the GOP can do to prevent what could be effectively 40% of the population plus the other 12% that is black from controlling the electoral outcomes.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 11:25 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

The main one: A rigged system due to the corruption of elitists (of any color)


I can't tell if you are joking or not Finn.

This is a line that Trump ripped off of Bernie Sanders to try to get his disaffected supporters to support him instead of Hillary. Trump doesn't even know what this means.

Trump is running a highly racial campaign focused on defending White Americans who he says are being threatened by Mexicans, Muslims and African American "Thugs". You know that as well as I do.

I am curious Finn. Does your wife consider herself a woman of color? Does she support Trump?


DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 12:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Hardworking people with great family values (as most Mexicans are) are not immune to the allure of social program "handouts."

Sure. "Handouts." Democrats regularly put together "income redistribution squads" that forcibly strip unsuspecting white Republicans in the middle of the street and indiscriminately toss the resulting swag into an unruly mob made up of illegal immigrants, homeless junkies, and lazy college students.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 12:33 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The information is in Pardos' link, you screaming idiot.

To further allay you of more of your ignorance, "Latino" doesn't refer to a "race," it refers to an ethnicity, i.e. Latino would include "whites."
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 12:35 pm
@maxdancona,
Who cares if he "ripped it off" from Sanders?

(He didn't but if it make you feel better to think he did, fine)

No I don't know that he is running a highly racial campaign.

Right now there is an active shooting in a mall in Munich. Witnesses report three separate shooters. Want to bet they are not Islamists? This sort of evil violence is happening around the world on at least a weekly basis, but I suppose people are supposed to take it in stride as simply part of the new norm.

I've been watching the video from Munich and there a fair number of (apparent) Muslims and Asians fleeing the mall for safety. I bet they didn't realize they were jumping on the bandwagon of white fear of others.

Be careful max concerning where you are going relative to my wife.

I doubt you are actually curious, but I'll answer you anyway:

No she doesn't, and yes she does.

Perhaps in your mind this make her a race-traitor.

She is incredibly proud of her latin heritage, but she doesn't accept that it requires her to fit the stereotypes of liberals.
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