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Mysteryman
What do you think the reaction would have been if Bush had gone to the American people and told them. I intend to invade Iraq and put your sons and daughters in harms way because I want to free the Iraqi's from their government's tyranny. Of course he never would have said that since it would be a lie and even if it were not, the American people would never have stood for it. In addition are we supposed to be the conscience and moral compass of the world? That is something we certainly are not suited for. And from all indications something the rest of the nations of the world neither wants, appreciates or condones.
In any event we all know that was not the motive behind Bush's war.

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"In any event we all know that was not the motive behinf Bush's war."

pssst...listen carefully. Oil!

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Larry
I am no longer sure even that is the reason. If the inspections were completed and nothing was found. The sanctions would have been lifted and oil would flow freely into the worlds markets.

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As I did not listen to Bush's speech (no longer any credibility with me), I do not know but will assume that he mentionned "families" and "compassion". Just a guess on my part.

So, then, how does anyone reconcile those expressions with his actual ACTIONS during his term in office. The appointments listed below tell us more about Bush's true nature and agenda than any speech ever could. As most of these appointments fall way way below the radar screen of any media coverage, allow me to share them with you.

Bush chose Nancy Pfotenhauer, president and CEO of the right-wing Independent Women's Forum, to serve on the National Advisory Committee on Violence Against Women. The IWF actively opposed the Violence Against Women Act. According to IWF's web site, "The battered women's movement has outlived its useful beginnings."

Bush appointed Wade Horn as assistant secretary for family support in the U.S. Health and Human Services Department. As president of the National Fatherhood Institute, Horn said that low-income kids whose parents aren't married should be last in line for Head Start and other benefits. Horn tried to back away from tnese statements at his confirmation hearings. Then, after Horn's appointment, HHS began to offer special services to welfare recipients - if they agree to marry.

President Bush chose Leon Kass, MD to head the President's Council of Bioethics. Kass has written, "For the first time in human history, mature women by the tens of thousands live the entire decade of their twenties - their most fertile years - neither in the homes of their fathers nor in the homes of their husbands; unprotected, lonely, and out of sync with their inborn nature."

In June 2004, Bush re-appointed Dr. W David Hager to the Food and Drug Administration's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Hager has written about Christ's ability to heal women's illnesses and reportedly refused to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager was the leading force behind the FDA's rejection of over-the-counter sales of emergency contraception, over the overwhelming recommendation of two FDA advisory panels.

The Senate in July 2004 approved Bush's nomination of James Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kansas. Bolmes, an anti-Abortion Rights activist, supports a Constitutional amendment to ban all abortions and said that "concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." Holmes has also spoken out against the separation of church and state, and co-wrote (with his wife) an article proclaiming that, "The wife is to subordinate herself to the husband... and... place herself under the authority of the man." Holmes' views on women's rights can be summed up in his belief that supporting feminism ultimately contributes "to the culture of death."

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angie wrote:

The Senate in July 2004 approved Bush's nomination of James Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kansas. Bolmes, an anti-Abortion Rights activist, supports a Constitutional amendment to ban all abortions

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"The wife is to subordinate herself to the husband... and... place herself under the authority of the man." Holmes' views on women's rights can be summed up in his belief that supporting feminism ultimately contributes "to the culture of death."

on the first. i guess activist judges are only bad when they are pro-choice or believe that the 10 commandments belong in church, not the courtroom

on the second... doesn't it sound like the taliban??

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I fear as religion spreads it's tentacles it may rip this nation asunder.

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rabel22 wrote:

Did you see any WMD's while you were there. Thats why Bush sent you there. Not because Saddun killed his people. Regan and Bush senior helped Saddum kill those people by arming him.

We saw a warehouse full of germ warfare artillery shells.They were intact,just needed the chemical or biological warhead.
So,if that counts,then yes I did.Why would you have the shells if you didnt have the warheads for them?

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

angie wrote:
The Senate in July 2004 approved Bush's nomination of James Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kansas. Bolmes, an anti-Abortion Rights activist, supports a Constitutional amendment to ban all abortions

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"The wife is to subordinate herself to the husband... and... place herself under the authority of the man." Holmes' views on women's rights can be summed up in his belief that supporting feminism ultimately contributes "to the culture of death."

on the first. i guess activist judges are only bad when they are pro-choice or believe that the 10 commandments belong in church, not the courtroom

on the second... doesn't it sound like the taliban??

When was the last time you heard of a conservative judge ruling on his opinion instead of the law? It doesn't happen. Look at the Federal judge in Mississippi, he ruled that the order of the court to remove the 10 commandments was just and ordered them removed. He was in support of the commandments and could have ruled with his opinion as the 9th district court does on the west coast but he didn't. I would say that is a difference between conservatives and the most over turned court in the land.

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Objection to Holmes comes not from his being a "man of faith". The objection comes from the fact that he believes: "concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." and "The wife is to subordinate herself to the husband... and... place herself under the authority of the man."

As well as his objection to the separation of church and state, for obvious reasons.

Don't you think that, perhaps, those beliefs might influence his judgment ?

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angie wrote:

Objection to Holmes comes not from his being a "man of faith". The objection comes from the fact that he believes: "concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." and "The wife is to subordinate herself to the husband... and... place herself under the authority of the man."

As well as his objection to the separation of church and state, for obvious reasons.

Don't you think that, perhaps, those beliefs might influence his judgment ?

No I don't. Does he have a record of mixing his relidion and his business? As an American he can have any opinion he wants to, it is called Freedom of Speech. It comes down to whether he would be able to seperate the 2 when it comes time for business.

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Angie wrote.

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Don't you think that, perhaps, those beliefs might influence his judgment ?

Of course not no more than Bush would. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

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Can you show me where the official site of this wharehouse full of gas shells was listed in the news. The only shell that I ever read about was one shell found in the desert that was inoperable. Never heard of a wharehouse full of them. Also one shell or a wharehouse full of them does not a weapon of mass destruction make.

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"It comes down to whether he would be able to seperate the 2 when it comes time for business."

Yes, of course it does.

Bush's opposition to stem cell research and his support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage would indicate that HIS actions are influenced by his beliefs.

So, if a judge believes women are subservient to men, don't you think that, too, might influence his rulings?

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Speaking of liars...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/09/03/state1046EDT0051.DTL

Historians criticize Schwarzenegger for Austrian history gaffes

ROLAND PRINZ, Associated Press Writer
Friday, September 3, 2004

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(09-03) 09:40 PDT VIENNA, Austria (AP) --

Austrian historians are ridiculing California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for telling the Republican National Convention that he saw Soviet tanks in his homeland as a child and left a "Socialist" country when he moved away in 1968.

Recalling that the Soviets once occupied part of Austria in the aftermath of World War II, Schwarzenegger told the convention on Tuesday: "I saw tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes."

No way, historians say, challenging Schwarzenegger's knowledge of postwar history -- if not his enduring popularity among Austrians who admire him for rising from a penniless immigrant to the highest official in America's most populous state.

"It's a fact -- as a child he could not have seen a Soviet tank in Styria," the southeastern province where Schwarzenegger was born and raised, historian Stefan Karner told the Vienna newspaper Kurier.

Schwarzenegger, now a naturalized U.S. citizen, was born on July 30, 1947, when Styria and the neighboring province of Carinthia belonged to the British zone. At the time, postwar Austria was occupied by the four wartime allies, which also included the United States, the Soviet Union and France.

The Soviets already had left Styria in July 1945, less than three months after the end of the war, Karner noted.

"Let me tell you this: As a boy, I lived for many years across the street from where the Russians were based in Vienna -- and honestly, I never saw a Russian tank there," retiree Franz Nitsch said Friday. "He said it all on purpose, and that's bad."

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rabel22 wrote:

Can you show me where the official site of this wharehouse full of gas shells was listed in the news. The only shell that I ever read about was one shell found in the desert that was inoperable. Never heard of a wharehouse full of them. Also one shell or a wharehouse full of them does not a weapon of mass destruction make.

I dont know if it was ever on the news or not.
At the time,staying alive was more important to me then worrying about what was reported by the press.

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I vaguely remember something about the shells. However, they were empty and of no consequence.
Regarding the shell found in the desert. It was thought to be a left over circa 1990 and that the gas had long since lost it's potency.

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hate to be a nudge. i find it difficult to understand why people don't get the clear connection between the iraq business and the project for the new american century, the committee for the liberation of iraq along with their buddies at the heritage foundation and other right wing think tanks. jeezzz. virtually every recurring conservative guest on infomercials like HANNITY & colmes is a member of one of these groups.

look at the names on this stuff. aside from administration, there's also the new ambassador to afghanistan.

iraqmiddleeast2000-1997

statementofprinciples

the cli website is gone, but some material remains available;

about cli

and lots of googles from left to right;
google cli

the heritage foundation. cheney addresses them quite often. you will see the big thf banner behind the stage.

heritage

it's not a conspiracy. it's going on right in front of us..

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I thought that on this forem if you couldent post a site for your post one admited that it was just an unproven statement. If there were a wharehouse full of gas shells Bush would have had the information released to the media. Show me the site where it states that active gas shells were found in quanty.

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DTOM, I've made reference to the Project for a New American Century before and I've heard others mention it also. Mostly it is ignored by those who support the war. I think the idea is that they support it anyway, even if we were mislead.

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Well, they need to wake up 'cause they aren't just being misled on a war. They are being misled COMPLETELY down a path to Armegeddon.

I've mentioned PNAC several times, and yes, it is often ignored. It's exactly because it, and practically everything these jerks do, is "in your face" and "What ya gonna do about it?" that we should all be taking notice.

They have no qualms about Gitmo, prisoner abuse, Geneva Conventions, Library records, permission to search your home while you re away and never ask permission or let you know they were there, and on and on and on. They don't care there were no WMD's, they'll just change their reason for going and know that the stupid amerikans will buy it.

God, it really gets me ticked!! (In case you couldn't tell!)

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