Want Us to Stop Calling You Liars? Stop Lying!

Politicians lie. End of story.

Norway? (...) Now, I'm not American, but I was just trying to point out that you can expect that from politicians. Not that I accept it, but it's there. Harper, have you ever read Al Franken's books?

FreeDuck wrote:

And don't forget the size of the lies, Larry. Size does matter.

I think lies told after swearing before a court of law to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth are the worst kind and least forgiveable.

Lies told for altruistic reasons are the most forgiveable.

Just my value judgment of course.

Larry434 wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

And don't forget the size of the lies, Larry. Size does matter.

I think lies told after swearing before a court of law to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth are the worst kind and least forgiveable.

Lies told for altruistic reasons are the most forgiveable.

Just my value judgment of course.

Yes, Larry. That is a very convenient way to give a trivial lie about consensual sex more importance than whoppers that lead to the cost of thousands of human lives.

How about Kerry's lie about his silver star with the 'V" for valor.

Larry434 wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

And don't forget the size of the lies, Larry. Size does matter.

I think lies told after swearing before a court of law to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth are the worst kind and least forgiveable.

Lies told for altruistic reasons are the most forgiveable.

Just my value judgment of course.

Yes, Larry. That is a very convenient way to give a trivial lie about consensual sex more importance than whoppers that lead to the cost of thousands of human lives.

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How about Kerry's lie about his silver star with the 'V" for valor.

Already debunked in this forum. do a search.

Harper wrote:

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How about Kerry's lie about his silver star with the 'V" for valor.

Already debunked in this forum. do a search.

If it was debunked then how come it is being investigated by the dept of the Navy?

Did you miss the quote? Looks like you need to get your eyes worked on as well.

F911 has been fully vetted and I believe a grand total of one errror was uncovered.

"After more than a decade of diplomacy, we gave Saddam Hussein another chance, a final chance, to meet his responsibilities to the civilized world. He again refused, and I faced the kind of decision that comes only to the Oval Office -- a decision no president would ask for, but must be prepared to make. Do I forget the lessons of September 11th and take the word of a madman, or do I take action to defend our country?" he said. --Excerpted from Shrub's convention speech

Of course, this is untrue on it's face. We weren't relying on the word of any madman; hell, we weren't even relying on the word of the UN inspectors who were combing the country looking for supposedly ubiquitous weapons of mass destruction. The word that we relied on came from Shrub and his cronies and it was all about how many TONS of chemical weapons and how many mobile weapons factories and how many other facilities for WMD creation that this "madman" had. Not to mention the mobile missile launchers and unmanned drones supposedly on hand to spread this deadly stuff or the purportedly imminent production of nuclear weapons.

Still, only a thousand American kids or so had to die thus far for no discernable reason, so it's not much of a prevarication, is it?

I ignore no fact. I ignore a baseless supposition.

The inspectors were, in fact, forced to leave Iraq because WE were about to attack. As for total disclosure, well Saddam claimed repeatedly to have no WMDs, turning over documents which purported to explain their disposition and allowing said inspections. History has shown who exactly was right and wrong on that issue, at the unfortunate cost of 1000 American lives, untold Iraqi casualties and billions in taxpayer funds pissed away without cause.