D'artagnan wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:D'artagnan wrote:Indeed, Noddy. I'm rather disappointed in them right now. I thought they'd be swarming to this thread like maggots. Instead, just a few, almost-polite comments. Civility about the Clintons? Who'd a thunk it...
Says much more about you D'artagnan, than "them."
Apparently you've missed out on the hundreds of posts re "Hitlary", Finn...
As opposed to the thousands of posts about "bushitler",etc.
I've yet to see that term for Bush used here, mm; guess I'll have to take your word for it...
All these puns do not pass muster as being the least bit thoughtful. And perhaps someone has created one that I might describe as witty, but I haven't bumped into it yet.
mysteryman wrote:D'artagnan wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:D'artagnan wrote:Indeed, Noddy. I'm rather disappointed in them right now. I thought they'd be swarming to this thread like maggots. Instead, just a few, almost-polite comments. Civility about the Clintons? Who'd a thunk it...
Says much more about you D'artagnan, than "them."
Apparently you've missed out on the hundreds of posts re "Hitlary", Finn...
As opposed to the thousands of posts about "bushitler",etc.
(Raises hand slowly.) Um. It was me. I said it. But it wasn't "bushitler". It was "Bush-****-ter"!
D'artagnan wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:D'artagnan wrote:Indeed, Noddy. I'm rather disappointed in them right now. I thought they'd be swarming to this thread like maggots. Instead, just a few, almost-polite comments. Civility about the Clintons? Who'd a thunk it...
Says much more about you D'artagnan, than "them."
Apparently you've missed out on the hundreds of posts re "Hitlary", Finn...
Why do you say so D'art?
I haven't missed out on the "Bushitler," Bushit," "Bu$h" et al posts but I don't believe there would be a rush of celebratory posts if Bush became seriously ill. I could be wrong of course (as you, apparently, were) and a stricken Bush might result in jubilation, but I just don't think so. The sort of juvenile name calling represented by "Hitlary," and "Bushitler" is silly, but rarely reflects a true desire that the object of scorn be the object of actual harm.
Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
He's in surgery right now. Send good vibes if you're so inclined.
As many others have already said, I didn't care for him as President, but I wish him a successful operation and a speedy recovery.
Clinton Is 'a Little Scared' Before Bypass Operation
Clinton in the Operating Room
Former President Says He Is 'a Little Scared' Before Bypass Operation
By SAM DOLNICK, AP
His Heart Is In Politics
NEW YORK (Sept. 6) - Former President Bill Clinton was in the operating room Monday for heart bypass surgery, a hospital source told The Associated Press.
Preparations for the surgery began at about 6:45 a.m. at New York Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia in upper Manhattan, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The operation was expected to last until noon or 12:30 p.m. EDT.
The surgical team was being led by Dr. Craig R. Smith, chief of cardiothoracic surgery, the source said.
The hospital source said it was unclear exactly what time the extensive preparations for surgery were ending and the actual operation beginning. Aides to both the former president and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, did not return calls for comment. Jonathan Weil, spokesman for the hospital, said he had no comment.
A separate source close to the former president, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Clinton told him the surgery was scheduled for Monday morning.
Clinton, 58, was hospitalized Friday after suffering chest pains and shortness of breath.
Clinton and his family issued a statement on the Clinton Foundation's Web site on Sunday, saying they felt "blessed and grateful for the thousands of prayers and messages of good will we have received these past few days.'' They also expressed thanks that the medical problem was detected in time.
In bypass surgery, doctors remove a blood vessel from elsewhere in the body and attach it to the heart, detouring blood around blockages. The vessel typically comes from the leg, although doctors sometimes take it from an arm or the stomach.
Doctors say the surgery is a routine procedure and Clinton should recover within a month or two.
In a telephone call Friday evening to CNN's "Larry King Live,'' Clinton said he was "a little scared, but not much.''
"I'm looking forward to it,'' Clinton said of the surgery. "I want to get back. I want to see what it's like to run five miles again.''
Clinton's tests showed no heart attack, but a source close to the family said there were three or four clogged arteries. Several surgeons uninvolved in Clinton's care said they didn't think his doctors would risk treating him with newer, experimental approaches like robotic surgery or laparoscopy, sometimes called keyhole surgery.
"With three-vessel disease in a president, I don't think I'd be doing it,'' said Dr. W. Randolph Chitwood, chief of cardiovascular surgery at East Carolina University in Greenville, N.C., and a spokesman for the American College of Cardiology.
Because Clinton is only 58 and in good health, "he'll do fine'' with traditional open-heart surgery, Chitwood said.
Although deaths from bypass procedures are rare, Columbia-Presbyterian has the highest death rate for coronary bypass surgeries in New York state - 3.93 percent in 2001, according to a report by the state Health Department. The statewide average is 2.18 percent.
The Clinton family had no comment on that report, The New York Times reported in Monday editions.
Clinton has blamed the blockage in part on genetics but also said he "may have done some damage in those years when I was too careless about what I ate.''
As president, Clinton was an avid jogger but also known for his love of fast food. He has appeared much slimmer since early in the year, when he said he had cut out junk food, gone on the South Beach diet - which limits carbohydrates and fats - and started a workout regimen.
Clinton had a cancerous growth removed from his back shortly after leaving office, and earlier had a precancerous lesion removed from his nose. He has also battled allergies.
But otherwise, Clinton suffered only the problems that often accompany normal aging and a taste for junk food - periods of slightly elevated cholesterol and hearing loss.
Clinton should spend less than a week in the hospital, and may have some mood swings, loss of appetite, difficulty sleeping or other problems afterward, but should fully recover in a month or two.
On Saturday night, Clinton had a long telephone conversation with Sen. John Kerry on presidential campaign strategy, said a Democratic official familiar with the talk who spoke on condition of anonymity. Before he fell ill, Clinton had expected to campaign for Kerry.
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Associated Press writer Terence Hunt contributed to this report from Washington.
09/06/04 09:35 EDT
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Indications: Coronary artery bypass grafting or heart bypass surgery is recommended when one or more coronary arteries are seriously blocked and blood supply to the heart muscle is insufficient. - NIH
blatham wrote:Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
Wishing him calamity is something I would expect from the vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left. In your desire to achieve the anarchistic chaos of total freedom,
many of you hate all that is wholesome and decent.
Many of you snarl and bite at the restraints of an ordered society, and would chew off your own legs to be free of them. You are certainly content to chew up all who oppose you.
Where's revel? How's that for a "thought out piece?"
blatham wrote:Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
Referring to someone as "stupid" and "arrogant" isn't name-calling? Whew! Coulda fooled me.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:blatham wrote:Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
Wishing him calamity is something I would expect from the vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left. In your desire to achieve the anarchistic chaos of total freedom,
many of you hate all that is wholesome and decent.
Many of you snarl and bite at the restraints of an ordered society, and would chew off your own legs to be free of them. You are certainly content to chew up all who oppose you.
"The vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left"? This is a new one on me. Of course, I live relatively close to the border and have counted Canadians as my friends. Guess you have to be in Texas to really know what those perfidious Canadians are like!
D'artagnan wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:blatham wrote:Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
Wishing him calamity is something I would expect from the vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left. In your desire to achieve the anarchistic chaos of total freedom,
many of you hate all that is wholesome and decent.
Many of you snarl and bite at the restraints of an ordered society, and would chew off your own legs to be free of them. You are certainly content to chew up all who oppose you.
"The vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left"? This is a new one on me. Of course, I live relatively close to the border and have counted Canadians as my friends. Guess you have to be in Texas to really know what those perfidious Canadians are like!
Pretty ridiculous isn't it?
I agree completely.
D'art
Actually, I've spent some time down in the south, and truly love the folks there. Welcoming and friendly as all git out. Speaking with them, I often think of the Strawman from Wizard of Oz. Lots of heart and courage.
Quote:Referring to someone as "stupid" and "arrogant" isn't name-calling? Whew! Coulda fooled me.
Nah, I was joking. I say insulting things about your present President with happy frequency. You are invited to say anything at all you would like about our Prime Minister. Heck, even take a shot at the Maple Leaf.
blatham wrote:Quote:Referring to someone as "stupid" and "arrogant" isn't name-calling? Whew! Coulda fooled me.
Nah, I was joking. I say insulting things about your present President with happy frequency. You are invited to say anything at all you would like about our Prime Minister. Heck, even take a shot at the Maple Leaf.
I see. And when you say insulting things about other posters? Joking, no doubt? As in:
blatham wrote:
Quote:"What is distressing is that you and finn suck it up and repeat it like folks in Frankfurt passing on how Jews are just like rats."
blatham wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:blatham wrote:Quote:Calling the Clintons or the Bushes names is not the same as wishing them calamity.
I have NEVER called Bush names.
Wishing him calamity is something I would expect from the vile and vengeful haters of the Canadian Left.
Prudent expectation.
In your desire to achieve the anarchistic chaos of total freedom,
many of you hate all that is wholesome and decent.
We LOVE what is wholesome and decent. We wish to spend more time with the wholesome and the decent. But the chances we are going to accept your proscriptions on what them there things look like is not very good at all. (PS...wow, you must once have behaved pretty badly to later go flying off into such rigorous puritanical messianism. Please send photos
Many of you snarl and bite at the restraints of an ordered society, and would chew off your own legs to be free of them.
Would we? We are getting better. I used to have trouble facing a hangnail.
You are certainly content to chew up all who oppose you.
Spitting, spitting out bad tasting Republican.
Where's revel? How's that for a "thought out piece?"
As I've happily acknowledged, it was a pretty ridiculous and quite exaggerated comment about
many of the Canadian Left.
