Clinton Hospitalized

The ONLY reason they are being civil about the Clintons is because they know Bill can't campaign for 4-6 weeks after the procedure. They haven't changed one bit. If Bill recovers quicker than expected they will not be so pleasant about it. I for one will be praying for a very speedy recovery for him.

Best Wishes message site
For those of you who would like to send President Clinton a get well message, go to the following site. A special site has been established to receive them so that can be forwarded to Clinton. It will also have updates on his condition.

http://www.clintonpresidentialcenter.org/index.htm

BBB

That's why we are called compassionate. Not like the cruel, mean spirited liberals who would wish pain and misery on a public figure from the other side.

"That's why we are called compassionate"

Here we go again.

Contrary to what some may try to insist upon, compassion is NOT the sole domain of either party. Kind of like patriotism.

The need to claim all virtues while demonizing one's opponents is raher unproductive, don't you think?

Had Clinton not had chest pains, he would probably have died. My husband had six by passes, but later we discussed the fact that by pass surgery is basically done because of angina. The scariest part of his heart, had to do with his pulse dropping to thirty beats per minute, hence, the pace maker. Lucky man.

I just got through hearing the president sound quite sincere about B.C. with well wishes, etc

Glad you posted this d'art, and thanks BBB for the site to send well wishes to our former president.

I think it is interesting between the differences in the posts to when Ashcroft was in the hospital.

Liberals are a bunch of mean spirited, spiteful and hating group of people.

I read a book by Tammy Bruce in which she talks about getting a call from one of her gay friends after an interview with Nancy Regan. Her friend said it was time to chill some Champaign because Ronald was going to die. I think the Ashcroft posts and this one are typical of liberals.

So going on the posts here I think we can say that we are more compassionate. Bush even mentioned Clinton today in one of his campaign stops and even wished him well and God speed. Quite a difference I would say.

correctamundo baldi! and contamination.

many of us were surprised to find that the leg incision, typically from groin to ankle of the left leg, was far more painful than the chest incision. and for longer.

the most horrible, terrifying, life threatening, mind scarring part of the whole thing was the food. yyeeeeeucccckkkkk!!!!

I found most of the posts by reasonable, rather than extremist, liberals, on that thread that you posted, McG. To say that all liberals should be judged by the most nutcase of them, is to say the same about Conservatives. And you know how nutcase some Conservatives are.

Incidentally, I thought President Clinton as a good President, and am going to send my wishes...

oh yes, baldimo. you really are right about that...

what you are not getting about any of this is that there are cool people and there are screw heads ( can i say that on a2k?) and they come in all flavors.

how about falwell? far from being a liberal, he said that gays and lesbians needed to take some of the responsibility for 9/11... now that is STAGGERINGLY compassionate. or is it mean spirited, spiteful and hating?

one of the worst things that has reappeared in our country is the way that extremists judge people by their religion and their politics. the very things that the founders and framers sought to be free of.

Goodnight, all.

Drom as usual, you and I are on the same wave length. Must have something to do with the echo from the big pond.

Audience boos as Bush offers best wishes for Clinton's recov
Audience boos as Bush offers best wishes for Clinton's recovery
By Associated Press, 9/3/2004 13:57

WEST ALLIS, Wis. (AP) President Bush on Friday wished Bill Clinton ''best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery.''

''He's is in our thoughts and prayers,'' Bush said at a campaign rally.

Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed. Bush did nothing to stop them.

Bush offered his wishes while campaigning one day after accepting the presidential nomination at the Republican National Convention in New York. Clinton was hospitalized in New York after complaining of mild chest pain and shortness of breath.

Bush recently praised Clinton when the former president went to the White House for the unveiling of his official portrait. He lauded Clinton for
his knowledge, compassion and ''the forward-looking spirit that Americans like in a president.''

A DIFFERENT REPORT RE BUSH'S SPEECH AND AUDIENCE REACTION:

Text of Bush's remarks in West Allis
Posted: Sept. 3, 2004
Following is the transcript, as it appears on the White House Web site, of President Bush's speech in West Allis on Friday:

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. Thank you all for coming. (Applause.) Thank you all. That's what I'm here to tell you - I've got the vision, the desire to lead this country for four more years. (Applause.) I want to thank you all for coming. Before I thank you for the work you're going to do, and before I talk to you about why I want to be your President for four more years, I do want to address several situations in the news that call for our concern and prayers.

En route here we just received news that President Clinton has been hospitalized in New York. He is in our thoughts and prayers. We send him our best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery. (Applause.)

In Florida, our citizens are bracing for yet another hurricane. Many people there are being displaced from their homes. The federal government stands ready to help the people of Florida in any way we can. And the people there need to know all America is praying for their safety. (Applause.)

And finally, in Russia, hundreds of agonized parents are worried about the fate of their children. This is yet another grim reminder of the lengths to which terrorists will go to threaten the civilized world. We mourn the innocent lives that have been lost. We stand with the people of Russia. We sent them our prayers in this terrible situation. (Applause.)

And finally, I'm here to thank you for your help, thank you for registering people to vote, thank you for working hard. There is no doubt in my mind, we will carry Wisconsin and carry this country. (Applause.)

We love coming to Wisconsin. It's the home of some really fine people. It's a beautiful state, and you play great football. (Applause.) You know, it's traditional, when politicians come to your state that they talk about the Packers. And I understand my opponent did it the other day, and he even mentioned the legendary stadium in Green Bay. (Laughter.) Listen, I've got some advice for him: if someone offers you a cheesehead, don't say you want some wine. (Laughter.) Just put it on your head and take a seat at Lambeau Field. (Applause.)

I'm going to give you some reasons to put me in, but perhaps the most important one of all is so that Laura will be First Lady for four more years. (Applause.) Man, she gave a great speech. You know, when I asked her to marry me, it was in Midland, Texas. She said I'll marry you so long as I don't ever have to give a speech. (Laughter.) I said okay, but fortunately, she didn't hold me to the promise. The country got to see that she is calm, steady, compassionate and a great First Lady. (Applause.)

I want to thank - the other night I had a chance to thank publicly my running mate, Dick Cheney. He's a fine man. (Applause.) You know, I admit it, he's not the prettiest face in the race. I didn't pick him for his looks. I picked him because of his judgment, his experience, and his ability to get the job done. (Applause.)

I want to thank three members of the United States Congress from Wisconsin who are here today - Jim Sensenbrenner, the Chairman, is with us today. Appreciate you - (applause.) Tom Petri is with us today. Congressman, thank you for coming. (Applause.) And Congressman Mark Green is with us today. I appreciate you coming, Mark. (Applause.)

I want to thank my friend, Scott Walker, who is here today. (Applause.) If he plays his cards right, they may just start calling him "W." I appreciate Mary Panzer and John Gard. I want to thank all the state and local officials who are here.

I want to thank the Democrats For Bush national co-chairman who is with us, Brian Lunde. (Applause.) You know, Brian and Zell Miller - (applause) - they're leading - they're on to something. (Laughter.) There's a lot of discerning Democrats who understand that four more years will make this country safer, stronger, and better. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

THE PRESIDENT: And this campaign welcomes all Democrats and independents. Our vision includes everybody. Our message is for every single citizen in this country. (Applause.)

I appreciate my friend, Jim Klauser, and all the grassroots activists who are here. Thanks for putting up the signs. Thanks for making the phone calls. Thanks for registering the voters, and thank you for turning out our voters, come November, to the polls. (Applause.)

I am honored that Greg Gracz is with us today. He is the President of the Milwaukee Professional Firefighters Association, Local 215. (Applause.) I received the endorsement from 215 and the Firefighters. I proudly accept your support. (Applause.) Bradley DeBraska is with us. He is the President of the Milwaukee Police Association. (Applause.) I thank them for their endorsement, as well. I am proud - (applause) - I am proud to stand with the police and firefighters of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. (Applause.)

I want to, finally, thank West Allis Central High School Band. Thank you all for coming. (Applause.)

Listen, we're approaching an historic national election. The time for choosing is coming close. This election will come down to the records we have built, the convictions we hold, and the vision that guides us forward. I'm looking forward to this campaign. I'm looking forward because I understand a presidential contest is a contest for the future. Over the next two months I will tell you where I stand. I'm going to tell you where I'm going to lead this country; I'll tell you what I believe.

I believe every child can learn and every school must teach. (Applause.) I believe we have a moral responsibility to honor our seniors. That is why we strengthened Medicare. (Applause.) And one of the most important partners I had in accomplishing this political promise I made to the American people was Tommy Thompson, the great former governor of Wisconsin. (Applause.) He's a good one. He's a great member of my Cabinet and a very close friend. Thanks for training him. (Laughter.)

I believe now, and I will believe forever, in the energy and innovative spirit of the American worker, the American small business owner, the American farmer and rancher. And that is why we unleashed that energy with the largest tax relief in a generation. (Applause.)

We have overcome a recession, corporate scandals, a terrorist attack. Our economy is growing, and it is getting stronger. This morning, we received the jobs report for August and it shows that our economy has added 144,000 new jobs, plus revisions of upwards of 60,000 for the two previous months. (Applause.) We gained 22,000 manufacturing jobs last month. (Applause.) The national unemployment rate is down to 5.4 percent. (Applause.) That is nearly a full point below the rate last summer, and well below the average of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. (Applause.) The unemployment rate in your great state is 4.7 percent. (Applause.)

By supporting our small business owners, our entrepreneurs and our workers, the economy of Wisconsin is strong and it is getting stronger. (Applause.)

The most solemn duty of the American President is to protect the American people. If America shows uncertainty and weakness in this decade, the world will drift toward tragedy. This is not going to happen on my watch. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA!

THE PRESIDENT: I am running for President with a clear and positive plan to build a safer world and a more hopeful America. I'm running with a compassionate conservative agenda that says government should help people improve their lives, not give people orders on how to run their lives. (Applause.) I believe this nation wants steady, consistent, principled leadership, and that is why, with your help, we're going to retain the White House in November of '04. (Applause.)

This world of ours is changing. I want you to know I understand that. We're changing jobs. Many people have many careers and jobs during their lifetime. That's not the way it used to be. Women are now working inside the house and outside the house. The work force is changing. And it's a time of great opportunity here in America, but government must stand side-by-side with the American people during times of change.

I want you to hear this. Many of the fundamental systems of our society, the tax code, health coverage, pension plans and worker training, were created for the world of yesterday, not tomorrow. In order to make sure that the American people have a chance to realize their dreams, we must change these fundamental systems to enable people to better realize their own hopes and aspirations. Any plan begins with making sure this economy stays strong, and my plan does that. See, to create more jobs in America, we must have an atmosphere in which America is the best place in the world to do business. (Applause.)

That means we must have an energy policy in this country. I submitted a plan to the Congress two years ago that encouraged conservation, encouraged the development of renewable sources of energy, encouraged clean coal technology, encouraged using our resources at home more wisely. In order to keep jobs in America, we must become less dependent on foreign sources of energy. (Applause.)

We open up our markets from goods and services from overseas. They need to open up their markets. The best trade policy is to create a level playing field, because we can compete with anybody, anytime, anywhere, as long as the rules are fair. (Applause.)

To keep jobs here, we must reduce the regulations on our small businesses. We must get rid of these frivolous and junk lawsuits that are making it hard on employers. (Applause.) We must be wise about how we spend your money, and we must keep your taxes low. (Applause.) We have a difference in this campaign. My opponent already has promised $2 trillion of new spending.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah. And we've still got the rest of September and October to go. (Laughter.) So they said, how are you going to pay for it? How are you going to pay for all these promises? He said, oh, don't worry, I'll just tax the rich. You've heard that before, haven't you? You know how that works. The rich dodge and you get stuck with the bill. But we're not going to let him tax you because we're going to win in November. (Applause.)

One of the systems that needs to be changed is our tax code. It is a complicated mess. It is full of special interest loopholes. We spend about six billion hours to try to fill out forms. In a second term, I will call together Republicans and Democrats to reform and simplify the federal tax code. (Applause.)

Our worker training programs need to be updated and modernized. Listen, there are new jobs being created, but oftentimes, workers don't have the skills to meet those jobs. There's a skills gap. We will close that gap by making sure the worker training programs work, by expanding access to community colleges, by giving our workers a chance to be able to fill the jobs of the 21st century.

In order to make sure that people realize their dreams here in America, we got to make sure our education system works well. Listen, most new jobs are filled by people with at least two years of college. Yet, in this country, only one in four students gets there. We can do a better job than that. We'll fund early intervention programs in high schools to make sure children don't get discouraged and fall behind. We'll place a new focus on math and science. We'll require a rigorous exam before graduation. What I'm telling you is, by raising performance in our high schools, and by expanding Pell grants for low-and middle-income families, we will help more Americans start their careers with a college diploma. (Applause.)

In a time of change we must do more to make sure quality health care is available and affordable. More than one-half of the uninsured in America are small business employees. Many small businesses are having trouble affording health care. In a new term, we must allow small firms to join together to purchase insurance at the discounts big companies get. (Applause.)

Last night I proposed new steps to encourage small businesses and employees and low-income Americans to set up health savings accounts. These accounts give workers the security of insurance against major illness, the opportunity to save tax-free for routine health expenses, and the freedom of knowing you can take your account with you whenever you change jobs. (Applause.) Under my plan, small businesses will receive a rebate when they contribute to their employees' health savings accounts.

I met with Judy Geiger today. She is a small business owner. She is from Cudahy. (Applause.) She used to provide her employees a PPO. The rising cost of premiums made her change. Last month she signed up for a health savings account. She's saving about $300 a month on her personal premiums, and $2,000 a month on the premiums for her employees. Here's what she said. She said, "It's wonderful to have this opportunity for our people." What I'm telling you is, there are ways to hold down costs, ways to help small businesses, ways to make sure people have got insurance. And we have got a plan to do that. (Applause.)

A big problem in America is the frivolous lawsuits that are running up the cost of your medicine and running docs out of business. (Applause.) You cannot be pro-doctor and pro-patient and pro-plaintiff attorney at the same time. You have to choose. My opponent made his choice - and he put him on the ticket. (Laughter.) I made my choice - I am for medical liability reform - now. (Applause.)

I'm for an ownership society because I know in changing times, if you own something it brings stability to your life. You know, one of the most fantastic statistics today is the home ownership rate is at an all-time high in America. We'll continue to promote home ownership. As I said last night, there's nothing better than somebody opening their door and saying, welcome to my home, welcome to my piece of property. (Applause.)

Our retirement systems must change with the times. If you're a baby boomer, Social Security is just fine. If you're older than being a baby boomer, you're in great shape. Nothing is going to change. But if you're a younger worker, you better listen carefully to the debate in this campaign. I believe younger workers ought to be able to save some of their taxes in a personal account, a nest egg they can call their own. (Applause.) A clear difference in philosophy in this campaign, if you listen carefully, you'll understand my opponent is running to expand government. We're running to expand opportunity. (Applause.)

In a world of change, some things don't change: the values that we try to live by - courage, compassion, reverence and integrity; the institutions which are important to our society - our families, our schools and our religious congregations. (Applause.) Because family and work are sources of dignity and stability, I support welfare reform that strengthens family and requires work. (Applause.) I support a culture of life in which every person matters and every person counts. (Applause.) We strongly support the religious charities that are providing hope to millions. Government should never discriminate against faith-based programs. (Applause.) We support family and marriage, which are the foundations of our society. (Applause.) I will continue to appoint federal judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the strict interpretation of the law. (Applause.)

This election will also determine how America responds to the continuing danger of terrorism. Since the terrible morning of September the 11th, 2001, we have fought the terrorist across the earth, not for pride, not for power, but because the lives of our citizens are at stake. (Applause.) Our strategy is clear. We're defending the homeland, we're transforming our military, we're strengthening our intelligence services. We're staying on the offensive. We're striking the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them here at home. (Applause.)

And we're working to advance liberty in the broader Middle East, because we know freedom will bring hope and peace, the peace we all want. Our strategy is working. Just remember this: Four years ago, Afghanistan was the home base of al Qaeda; Pakistan was a transit point for terrorist groups; Saudi was fertile ground for terrorist fundraising; Libya was secretly pursuing nuclear weapons; Iraq was a gathering threat; and al Qaeda was largely unchallenged as it planned its attack. Because we acted, because we were resolute and strong and firm, the government of a free Afghanistan is fighting terror, Pakistan is capturing terrorists, Saudi is making raids and arrests, Libya is dismantling its weapons programs, the army of a free Iraq is fighting for freedom, and more - (applause.) And more than three-quarters, three-quarters of al Qaeda's key members and associates have been detained or killed. (Applause.) We have led, many have joined, and America and the world are safer. (Applause.)

This progress involved careful diplomacy, clear moral purpose, and some tough decisions. The toughest one of all was in Iraq. We knew Saddam Hussein's record of aggression and support for terror. Remember, he subsidized the families of suicide bombers. Terrorist organizations were in and out of his country, people like Zarqawi and his network, or Abu Nidal and his network. We knew his long history of pursuing and using weapons of mass destruction. And we know that after September the 11th, this nation must take threats seriously before they fully materialize. (Applause.)

In Saddam Hussein, we saw a threat. So I went to the United States Congress. They looked at the same intelligence I did, remembered the same history of Saddam, and they saw a threat. My opponent looked at the very same intelligence, and when asked to vote on a resolution that authorized the use of force, he voted, "aye."

The last choice of the Commander-in-Chief is to put troops in harm's way. So I felt it was important to try diplomacy. I went to the United Nations. The United Nations looked at the same intelligence and the United Nations Security Council resolved, unanimously resolved, that Saddam Hussein must disclose, disarm, or face serious consequences. The world had spoken, but as he had for over a decade, he ignored this resolution, as well as over 10 resolutions. He had no intention of listening to the demands of the free world. As a matter of fact, he deceived the inspectors that were going in to try to get him to adhere to the demands of the free world. We had given him a choice, a final choice - it was his decision to make, and he clearly made his decision. So I had a choice to make: trust the word of a madman and forget the lessons of September the 11th, or take action to defend the country. Given that choice, I will defend America every time. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA!

THE PRESIDENT: Because we acted, because we took action to defend ourselves, more than 50 million people have been liberated. (Applause.) I like to tell people these are historic times. I truly believe they are. One reason I say that is because I've seen what's happened in Afghanistan. This is a country that has gone from darkness to light, a country where the Taliban wouldn't even let young girls go to school. They'd whip their mothers in the public squares or kill them because of their beliefs. They were backward and they were wrong. And yet today, yet today, three years after the liberation, 10 million Afghan citizens have registered to vote. (Applause.)

Freedom is powerful. In Iraq, there's a strong Prime Minister, a national council. National elections in that country are scheduled for January. Our strategy is clear. We will stand with the people to help them start their political process. We will train Afghan citizens and Iraqi citizens so they can defend themselves against the few who are trying to stop the march of liberty. Our troops will stay there as long as necessary to finish the mission, and they will come home with the honor they have earned. (Applause.)

We have a great United States military. (Applause.) I want to thank all the veterans who have set such a fine example for those who wear our uniform. (Applause.) I have made a commitment to our troops and their families they will have all the support they need from the federal government to complete their mission. That is why I went to the Congress last September and asked for $87 billion of supplemental funding to support them in their missions in Afghanistan and Iraq. This money was for fuel and spare parts, ammunition, hazard pay, health benefits. It was a vital funding request. We got great support. As a matter of fact, all but 12 United States senators voted to support the funding. Two of those who voted against it were my opponent and his running mate.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

THE PRESIDENT: Only four United States senators voted to authorize the use of force, and the voted against funding our troops. Two of those senators were my opponent and his running mate.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

THE PRESIDENT: So they asked him, why did you vote? He said, well, I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it. (Laughter.) That's what he said.

AUDIENCE: Flip-flop! Flip-flop! Flip-flop!

THE PRESIDENT: Then he said he's proud of his vote, and then he said the whole thing was a complicated matter. There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat. (Applause.)

During the next four years, I'll continue to build alliances. You know, there's nearly 40 nations involved in Afghanistan, some 30 nations in Iraq. I'm proud of the service to the cause of freedom and peace. We'll continue to build those alliances, but I will never turn over America's national security decisions to leaders of other countries. (Applause.)

I believe in the transformational power of liberty. I've seen it happen throughout history, and so have you. We've seen nations in our own hemisphere become free nations and allies in the sake of peace. Our parents' generation saw the transformational power of liberty when, after World War II, Japan, because we believed in democracy, Japan became a friend. You know, I sit down at the table with Prime Minister Koizumi and discuss North Korea and other issues, on how to keep the peace. I'm able to do so because my predecessor and other citizens of this great country believe that liberty could convert an enemy into a friend.

There was a lot of cynics and doubters in those days - you can understand why. Japan was a fierce enemy. I mean, people couldn't envision how liberty could transform a society. But there were fellow country people of ours who did believe that then. And today we sit down with an enemy and talk about the peace. See, that's what's taking place. Liberty is powerful. Some day an American President is going to be sitting down with a duly-elected leader of Iraq talking about keeping the peace, talking about - (applause.)

A free Afghanistan and a free Iraq will set powerful examples in a neighborhood that is desperate for freedom. Women who long for freedom in the Middle East will see examples of a free society in their neighborhood. Young men will realize a free society is one in which they can realize their hopes and aspirations; they don't have to strap suicide belts on. Freedom is powerful. I'll tell you why I believe so strongly in freedom. I understand it's not America's gift to the world; it's the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world. (Applause.)

I believe we're living in a century that will be called the century of liberty. By promoting freedom at home and abroad, we'll build a safer world and a more hopeful America. Over the next four years, we'll continue to work hard for the American people to reform those institutions that need to change to make you more free. We'll spread ownership to every corner of this country. Opportunity will abound. We'll pass the enduring values of our country on to a young generation. We'll be steadfast in our pursuit of freedom and peace, and we will prevail. (Applause.)

For all Americans, these years in our history will stand apart. There are quiet times in the life of a nation when little is expected of its leaders. This is not one of those times. This is a time that requires firm resolve, clear vision, and an unshakeable believe in the values that make us a great country. (Applause.)

When I traveled your state four years ago, I made a pledge to you. I said if I was honored to be able to hold this great office, I would uphold the honor and the dignity of the office to which I had been elected. (Applause.) With your help, for four more years, I will continue to uphold the honor and the dignity of the White House. (Applause.) God bless you. (Applause.)

Well you are right to a point. It wasn't judgment that they sought to prevent, it was the prosecution that they wanted to avoid. You can't be free from judgment and still have free speech. Everyone has a right to voice their views.

While I can't condone what others have said, I can judge it and I have done so. You are free to join me if you wish.

I still think they are mean spirited and hateful.

did you mean persecution? that was their intent.

all liberals?

Just wanted to agree with drom as well -- what I remember from that thread were several of us (me, Craven, Joe Nation, more) taking a couple of the more extremist posters (who are no longer here) to task.

xgbxs
maybe he should stopping smoking those cigars, its bad for your heart.......and oh yeah and *******/hanging out with fat chicks is only going to be a bad influence because:

1) they make you eat more

2) they make you do all the work

3) Cigar + fat chick= Heart attack


come on Bill Get with F'ing program already.

While trying to be funny, this isn't the place for such stuff. Make your own thread.

That is 36 posts as of 8:05. Anyone want to join a pool on what the final number will be?

Yep - they do.

However, if our cardiac arteries ain't doing well, often the rest aren't, either.

dsgsd
make me